Is a JD Really a Doctorate/Doctor? Debating Chiang Wan-an's Academic Credentials with Professor Peng Wen-cheng!

In this episode of "News Hard-Hitting" (新聞硬邦邦), we invited Professor Dennis Peng to engage in an in-depth cross-partisan exchange and debate with host Stan on topics including whether the American JD degree qualifies as a doctoral degree, the controversy surrounding Taipei Mayor Chiang Wan-an's academic credentials, the authenticity of Tsai Ing-wen's doctoral thesis, Taiwan's criminal defamation laws, and Taiwan-US relations and geopolitics.

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Would you like to reiterate the rules of our conversation to Stan?

Hello everyone! Greetings! Wow! There are so many people online! Okay! It's 3:00 AM! Yes! 3:00 AM! Okay! Alright! I want to confirm with our audience first if there are any issues with our video or audio. Let's check before we start the live stream today, because it will be very exciting. There will be parts in English and parts in Chinese, and of course, we will focus primarily on Taipei municipal affairs. Oh! Okay! Okay! Okay! I need to unpin Professor Peng, yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! And then unpin me, yes. Let me see how to unpin, Unpin, But where is the remove pin? Okay! Okay! Okay! Uh... can everyone see now? The video is lagging, but my internet connection is fine. Is there sound? Is this sound too? Because you will be broadcasting it later, we will turn it into a great video, so the main thing is to hear the audio, the main thing is to hear the audio. Before we start today's live stream, I want to tell everyone, please stay calm and polite in the chat room. Today we are breaking out of our echo chambers; we are here to chat with friends from different camps, so let's warmly welcome Professor Dennis Peng to debate with us today. Professor Peng, would you like to start with an opening for your program? It doesn't matter, I can use your program's opening as my own, no problem. Stan, your supporters are definitely in the same camp as mine, because we all love Taiwan, right? Everyone, is that right? Yes, we love Taiwan, are we Taiwanese? We are all pro-Taiwan, right? We are all pro-Taiwan, and when we were pro-Taiwan, the "Green Birds" hadn't even been born yet. I told your assistant today that I hope we can have a friendly live stream with a collision of different opinions, and because we are both Christians, and we both have doctoral degrees—real doctoral degrees, unlike Taipei Mayor Chiang Wan-an. And because we are both people who care deeply about Taiwan's future, you are very welcome to the News Hard-Hitting channel. Hey, Stan, your English and your Chinese are really much better than I expected. However, for the sake of fairness, I made a deal with Stan that we would use English for the first half and Chinese for the second half. That's actually quite good, isn't it? It's been a long time since I've spoken English; I've been back in Taiwan for over thirty years, and now that I've been in the US for these few years, I probably only know how to say, "This is a book, those are books." That's fine, I'll take this opportunity today to practice my English. Let's level the playing field, because English is not my native language, nor is it yours. So it's perfect that we can chat in English for the first part. Yes, I really want to learn Polish, but my tongue is already tied in knots. That's very hard, that's very hard, I don't recommend it. Unless you have deep ties with Poland, whether in media or business, I don't recommend it; this language is very difficult to learn. But you really have a gift for languages; I've heard your English is very good, and your Chinese is excellent. I envy you. My Japanese is also quite good, Nihongo daijoubu desu ka?

I learned Japanese in Taiwan. New era of Taiwan, konnichiwa, konnichiwa, konnichiwa. Do you know why konnichiwa is called konnichiwa? It means today, today is a good day. Why? Because it means today, greeting you today. Right, because today has a lot of time, so konnichiwa, you often change your pants, so it's called konnichiwa. And do you know why konnichiwa is used in the evening? Konban [meaning tonight] in the evening. Right, because you are going to sleep at night, you don't need to change your pants anymore, komabanwa, konban. Alright, that's fine, OK.

So would you like to explain the rules here? We haven't started yet. OK OK OK. Before we start, Alright hi, Everyone welcome to the True Voice of Taiwan first stand, Thank you very much for caring so deeply about Taiwan, I want and speaking for you all these years I'm proud of you and I have the deepest respect for you the reason we we I'm in your show because I was told that Stan posted the social media saying that the JD doesn't make you a doctor so John Wayne shouldn't call himself as a doctor of law most importantly thank you for mentioning me too so first of all Stan thank you for ry about me now before that i think we have a kind of rules for today's debate but it's not debate i think we are uh friendly communicate and exchange our opinions uh you know casually right so but in order to control the time so we split um time for each um you and me five minutes or three to five三十五 minutes for um your speech and you can challenge me by three minutes and i can counter and challenge you about another three minutes and maybe the second part we can do the same thing and a conclusion for three minutes to five minutes it's not that i mean just casual right. Yeah, it sounds fair. That sounds fair. Alrighty, so shall I start? Yes, please.

Okay, first of all, it's a pleasure to also be on your show, because this recording will be made into your program as well. And I've been a long follower of yours when you were in Taiwan. Zhengjing Kan Minshi (Watching Civil Affairs Seriously), I've been watching the show just when I arrived in Taiwan. I remember you since that time. And for me, your change of your political preferences, referring to Mayor Jiang, became a little bit surprising. Okay, okay, okay. If you think so. And today I'd like to talk to you about why JD, this legal degree, this professional doctorate, should not be considered a doctorate. And it is not a doctorate. I have a couple of reference points here. First of all, in the United States, all of the JD degree owners, all of the JD degree holders, they don't call themselves doctors. And they are discouraged from calling themselves and referring to themselves as doctors. There is a relevant ABA regulation that says that all of the legal professionals should not be misleading the audience. because there could be a confusion between the JD degree and the SGD degree and the PhD degree and the medical doctorate so they should refrain from calling themselves doctors and use the label it's an honorary name, it's called Esquire they should be referring to themselves as Esquires if they have passed the bar exam. JD used to be called LLB, basically it's a bachelor's degree, bachelor of law up until 1971 and it is related to American history to the history of American education because in the United States your future lawyers were asked and were demanded to get their bachelor's degree first and only then they could enter law school but the level of education and training they received it's not a doctoral training. The jury's doctor, this name, it's only an honorific. And that's why we have a lo

t of interesting regulations all around the world. For example, in Canada, JDs are being considered LLBs. Then UNESCO classifies JD degree as a master's degree, as a master's degree. Then Australia also considers JD as a master's degree. And in European Union, in different countries, there are different regulations. For example, everywhere you're supposed to call yourself under your full degree, saying you're a Juris Doctor JD, but you cannot call yourself a doctor, right?

You should not be calling yourself Dr. Jiang or Dr. whatever, if you're a lawyer. You should use your name, Jiang Wan, and then JD or Esquire, if he has passed the exam. And he did. He could call himself Esquire. So therefore, and there are different regulations. For example, in Germany, if you call yourself a doctor, when you are not a doctor, you can face a prison sentence of one year. In France, in Switzerland, there are very high fines for misuse of those educational titles, right? And then coming to Taiwan, all of the lawyers, and there is a law in Taiwan, it's a recall and election act, and Article 47 says that all of the candidates should provide accurate information about their degrees. What do we see? In the legislative UN's website, on the website you see that Mr. Zhang, that Mayor Zhang called himself a SJD, right?

On the English website, and then there are advertisements which are not correct advertisements, where he calls himself a boshi, meaning doctor, even though in Taiwan, Taiwan's Minister of Education, the whole degree is called, and then JD, and it equals to master's degree, and I think it is unfair, first of all to the PhDs, like yourself and me, or to the Taiwanese lawyers, because in Taiwan, you receive similar training, for example you are National Taiwan University, you receive an LLB from NTU, and then you can also pass the bar exam in Taiwan, you can become a lawyer, but why a person who studied in America, in the United States, in a very good university, UPenn is a great school, one of the best schools that can provide you with legal education, but it's not a doctoral degree, it's a professional degree, and why should we refer to people who got the same level of education as Taiwanese bachelors coming to Taiwan, why should we call them doctors, when they're not doctors, and a fair thing for Mayor Jiang would be to write the whole name of this degree, right, and not refer to himself as a doctor, because this is unfair first of all to Taiwanese, then it is a very grey area in Taiwan, and you can even say that to a certain extent, it violates Article 47, and number three, because nobody calls JD's doctors, President Obama, President Biden, and around 40% of all of the congresspeople, in the United States, they all hold JD degrees, did any of them refer to themselves as a doctor? No, no, they just use JD or Esquire depending if they are practicing law. So this is my opening statement and I would like to hear a rebuttal.

Okay, thank you Stan. Let me first clear up something. I'm more than just a wanted man. I may be the only wanted man in history who shows his face every single day and keeps singing. You can catch me, you can catch me. And yet, the Republic of China government acts like I don't exist. No response at all. Kind of like how the rest of the world looks right past that government. I've taken a little time to explain my situation. Because many people may not know where the case stands. To give a clear answer, my girlfriend mentioned that regarding Lin's literature, the English national guidance department, the English FM, and the national court company, they have some incomplete records. Therefore, I believe the relationship people are very concerned about is Chiang Wan-an's doctor's degree. I think there are issues that haven't been paid attention to, and I think there are issues with Tsai Ing-wen's curriculum. I think people also think about the relationship between people in China, but they haven't paid attention to my issue. I supported the DPP in the 2020s, I became the chair of the Journalism Graduate Institute at National Taiwan University, and therefore I pursued Tsai Ing-wen's case. I hope we can all agree that you can have a political stance, but you still need to distinguish between right and wrong. Today is about the high-level right to defamation. I have been in the master's program at the University of Wisconsin, and I have always been involved in design education and training. Regarding the grass-roots language of the Mo-suan and official teaching studies, after Yu Li-wen's fees were left behind. I designed Packera, outside of Splend College, reaching schools with the Chinese spirit. Then from the remaining AB in. In the United States, in the United States, you can buy a copy of my course online for about $80. I think, Stan, I imagine people can find your dissertation online too. Yeah, it's accessible. The degree is held by Pumasan. You and me can all be checked through recognized channels and institutions whether we are J.D. or Ph.D. or whatever D. Alright, I also feel very happy to have mine being checked. So what I want to know is why the STEM scrutiny has been applied to Tsai Ing-wen STEM. That's why I would really like to hear your review. You have a doctoral degree, you study in the United Kingdom, you care about academic credentials and integrity and you speak for people's human rights, you are exactly the right person to discuss with this issue.

Alright, I have PhD. Over the decades, I have advised and recommended more than 20 students who went on to pursue different kinds of doctoral degrees. I once considered switching to law in the United States, so I spent a lot of time looking into American law degrees. I studied for two weeks and passed the theoretical first-level legal guarantee measures for six projects. In Taiwan, these measures are called the legal higher clarification examination. Two of my classmates in the United States are graduates of the law department at National Taiwan University, and their coursework was at the University of Wisconsin. My friends, Jiang Jianxiang and Tang Wenxun, both have American coursework.

Okay, now a PhD stands for doctor of philosophy, that doesn't mean everyone with PhD studies philosophy. You can earn a PhD in electronic engineering, journalism, music, and many other fields, or law. It's a thing, yeah, PhD in law, yeah, or PhD of law, some universities offer that degree as well. Most people still pursue SJD and JSD because they think they are different from a PhD. Therefore, they use DBA technology research. Alright, let's go back to JD. Some professional subjects, such as MD, scientific majors, legal research, and JD majors, are relatively specialized subjects and topics, so they choose relatively specialized topics, but the topics are still topics on the subject. There is one thing I think, in the United States, people's topics are often not called topics by themselves. I think, I think I have a topic, I didn't introduce my name, saying I am Dr. Peng, but I choose to use this name, if I can, if I can.

Okay, consider the vegetables in Taiwan; there are no green onions in the green onion dish, no green onion dish, no green onion dish, no green onion dish, no green onion dish, no green onion dish, no green onion dish, no green onion dish, no green onion dish. There is no wife inside the wife. Although, if there were, I would buy a whole box. But in this case, the full name of JD is Juris Doctor. If it is just a master's course, or if he is not a patient, why would there be a patient's name, and why do they turn themselves into mos? So is mandğu education a JUR System? There is an LLM for Masters. Air luego JD, actually. People go for LLMs after JD. Ms are what LLM refers to. Whether a degree is a doctor or not isn't decided by whether it requires a dissertation. It depends on the degree the university awards. You can debate how much a particular degree is worth, but that's a different question from whether the degree is real or not. The questions I have raised about Tsai Ing-wen's degree are not just about whether she has a dissertation or not. I have asked whether she registered, paid tuition, entered the doctoral program, and completed oral examinations. These are all things I hope to see. On July 28, LSE released the company's online loans and loan issues, and I hope everyone can see this answer. JJD's Universal Pennsylvania. I think people are truly recognizing what is needed to enter and complete these programs.

Some say he found a shortcut by doing an LLM or another master's program first and then applying to the JBE program. Maybe they would help him. Yes, it is true. But do you really think every other applicant to a top law school is too foolish to think of it? If it were an easy shortcut, anyone would use it.

I have already talked about the price of JD in the Taiwan curriculum of "True Voice," from 8 o'clock to 10 o'clock every day, and it really cannot be closed, so I will not repeat it. If Chiang Wan-an really changed the curriculum from JD to SJD in the election bulletin, I think he is quite remarkable. If he has two degrees, I can only mention one, and I would choose JD rather than SJD. I think SJD, I think the SJD curriculum is higher, compared to the SJD curriculum.

If there were any dignity, I would invite your True Voice of Taiwan, and let's sit down and talk about it. So, let me explain where I started, I would love it, if a raw cake's cake really gives birth to a cake, if a raw cake's cake gives birth to a cake's cake, preferably, more of a cake. But if the name in Cake is Jewelry's Doctor, that is JD's name, thank you, Stan. OK, can I rebuttal now? I have three minutes, right? So, first of all, let's start with wife's disease and sun's disease, just the same as wife cake and the son cake, they don't have sons and they don't have wives. JD doesn't mean that you're a doctor, unfortunately, same thing, you're not an academic doctor, it's not a research degree, same thing, the people who can use the word doctor by addressing themselves are doctors, like medical doctors, and secondly, these are the PhDs, SJGs, people who do research and who contribute to science, to the development of science. Then let's talk about these academic credentials and shortcuts. I'm not talking about if JD is better or worse than an SGD degree. These are different degrees and they teach different things. SGDs, PhDs, they contribute to science. And by calling yourself a doctor, if you haven't done a scientific research, it's basically misrepresenting what your degree is at. If you look at the United States Census, people with doctorate degrees, JDs are not counted as people with doctorate degrees, MDs are not counted as people with doctorate degrees, if you look at ISCED, JD is level 7, just like a master's degree, Canada considers a JD degree as a bachelor's degree, and even the United States used to call it a bachelor of law. Then, talking about Taiwan, MD, medical doctor, it's translated as, by the Ministry of Education, Bachelor of Medicine, not Doctor of Medicine, it's not being considered a doctorate degree. And what I'm talking about is not if UPenn's JD is better than UC Irvine's SJD, but these are different degrees and they teach different things.

and customary people with JDs, they don't call themselves doctors, because they're not doctors, and it has a certain level of misrepresentation here, that's the thing about the degree itself, about the name of the degree itself, and that even though, if you had both an SJD degree and a JD degree, you would have preferred a JD, that's up to you, but this is not what this degree stands for, it's not a doctorate degree, it's a professional doctorate, it's not a research doctorate. People don't address themselves as doctors, and people can be fined in some countries, for addressing themselves as doctors if they use the JD degree. That's why it's dishonest. And whenever I'm talking about Mayor Zhang, I'm talking about dishonesty. It's always a grey area, okay? There is a Boshi name in the Chinese translation, so should I be able to use it? But people kind of don't use it in America. But what if I just write it down? And what if people just don't notice it? But this is not how it works.

and talking about President Tsai's case，I think that there is one thing，that I might agree with you，I think that President Tsai，she conducted real research，her dissertation is available，online on LSE's，website and even on her Wikipedia page，I didn't read it，because that's not my area，that's not my area of expertise. I'm not that much in，my area is human rights，so you should read it。My area is human rights, and she has written her PhD in dumping and economic barriers, something like that。But now you have a very good friend, a new friend, me。But that's very far away。I've seen the statement by the University of London, and I have seen the dissertation, it exists。But there is one thing I agree with you on, and I don't know what would you think about such a statement。I think that criminal defamation laws should not be present in democratic countries。For example, all of the defamation is being regulated by civil codes in most of the democracies。And in the United States, in Canada, in the United Kingdom，all the defamation-related legal matters are a matter of civil law, not criminal law。So I don't think that even if you're liable for defamation，that you should be hold liable under the criminal case。It shouldn't be considered a criminal case. That's my opinion。And I think that criminal defamation law is a relic of that era，because the defamation law, it was written in 1928。It was like early Republic of China。It's a very totalitarian piece of regulation。I actually was sued by Taiwan Plus，under the criminal defamation law。It ended up with a non-prosecutorial solution, whatever。But I don't think that this should be a part of the criminal case。Oh, really? So, Stan, are you okay? Is your passport okay with you? Yeah, it's with me。It's non-prosecutorial。I'm not guilty。

And the case didn't even go to court. But what I think is weird is that Taiwan's criminal code has that criminal defamation law. I don't think that that's a very democratic piece of legislation. Nevertheless, I think that your accusations against President Tsai, you have your right to do so. You have your freedom of speech and you should also hold liable under the relevant regulations if they consider what you've done is wrong. But I think that President Tsai in 1980, she has done her research and I know that there is a whole peer review process. I'm also a part of the British education system. I know how it works, and if the university agreed that she has done her research, I trust the university. The university agreed? Are you sure? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I would like to even invite you to go with me together to LSE, to London School of Economics, and read her thesis together. I know London pretty well. Let's make a deal, let's make a deal, okay let's arrange a flight to London. Sure, and after our investigation, we both held the conference, or, you know, a press conference. Sure, but I know that her thesis is in the university right now, and there are many people who go there to read it, so why not, yeah, sure, let's go, before this Christmas, before this Christmas, maybe, yeah, like early December-ish, yeah, sure, sure, why not, okay, good, good.

Thank you so much. My today's biggest harvest of today's show. Let's go. Okay. Okay. This is my rebuttal. Let's go to the next topic. Would you like to switch to Chinese right now or what do we do? Either way or maybe I can. Okay. How many, what time is it and how much time will we last? It's 29 minutes since we started. So we have another 30 minutes if we cut all of the beginning. So yeah, we still have time. ok maybe we can either ok let's switch Chinese. ok Of course, no problem. Sure, come on, let's talk about national skills. Okay, thank you everyone. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, I'll speak in my specialty language. Okay, so should you start this or should I? I just finished speaking, so it should be the next voice. Then I'll yield the time to you. No problem, I'll just ask questions. Okay, that's fine, no problem. Then allow me to say, I'll give the time to you, but allow me to interrupt slightly at some point. So forgive my impoliteness. Alright, OK, then I'll hand the time over to you.

You can speak English or Chinese, it doesn't matter. Okay, I'll speak Chinese. So, do we want to talk about the same topic? Either is fine. You can talk about politics, yes, that's great, you can talk about the election, or you can talk about politics. No, if you want to ask me why I changed from a Blue Bird to a Blue Bird or a Red Bird, I can answer you, no problem. Actually, regarding your shift in stance, I have been watching your show all along. I actually watch Blue, Green, White, and even Red, those CCP programs, because doing this kind of political analysis requires accepting perspectives from all sides. Okay, let me ask you, what was your inner journey? Because you originally supported Taiwan's sovereignty, you also wanted to protect Taiwan, and I also know you are a Christian, and I know you are psychologically a libertarian, you are a person of free will, you support small government, and a person who supports small government, supports strong national defense, supports gun rights, and supports various positions that are more inclined towards our conservative side, how could you think that one can talk about martial virtue with the CCP? I personally find this very surprising. Alright, come on, Stan and all the Blue Birds, I call you Blue Birds without any derogatory meaning, it's quite affectionate. Blue Bird is very good, because that is also related to the community netizen censorship, that is, the connection to Qingdao East Road, everyone started writing Blue Bird, just to avoid being caught by the algorithm, so Blue Bird is a very good term. I am also a Blue Bird, I support Taiwan's democracy, I support Taiwan's freedom, I oppose the expansion of the Legislative Yuan's power. At that time, everyone was protesting, and I went to record it too. I filmed so many wonderful clips, everyone can go watch them. From the very beginning of the Blue Birds to various protest activities, I have the live footage. I think Stan, you posted my show, you should know. Our family has supported the Dangwai movement for two generations. My father contributed money and effort, I helped everyone in the DPP campaign, including Tsai Ing-wen's inauguration ceremony. I didn't take a single cent. Even when I flew to the United States and Japan, I paid for it myself to participate in the UN joining, FAPA annual meetings, and Taiwan Association annual meetings. I traveled half the globe, didn't take a single cent from overseas compatriots, bought my own plane tickets, held a microphone on the streets of Tokyo, shouting 'Japan-Taiwan, Taiwan-ness', all for the sake of bringing Taiwan's name to the whole world, proving that Taiwan should join the United Nations and join the Tokyo Olympics in the name of Taiwan. My dream hasn't changed, it hasn't changed from beginning to end. Today, what I am talking to everyone about is reality. You are still remaining in your dreams. My dream hasn't woken up, but I have seen the reality. In these five years since I came to the United States, I have seen how the US political circle treats China and how it treats Taiwan. I have had conversations of over an hour with more than three dozen senators and representatives, and officials from the State Department. Not a single person promised me they will fight for Taiwan, not even a single person. The answer is no, period. I started to think, then what should I do? Should I wake up from my dream?

Professor Peng, let me interrupt, which year? Which year were you discussing this issue? Just so the Taiwanese audience can understand when this was?

Since coming to the United States in 2022, I haven't been able to go back. During this time, because of my identity issue, I have become a stateless person. Have you ever heard of anyone else in this world who doesn't have any passport? Some say I am a U.S. citizen, some say I have something else—excuse me, my passport was crudely confiscated by the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office. My passport is still within its validity period; it hasn't expired.

But you are not stateless. You can apply to the embassy for that document for traveling back and forth to Taiwan. That's not being stateless; you still have your nationality, and your Taiwan nationality hasn't been confiscated.

Are you kidding? Which airline would allow you to travel without a passport, just using a travel document?

Just a travel document, just a travel document, a passport isn't strictly necessary. There are many people like that in the United States. Truly stateless people can also apply for a travel document, but you can go to... this is a temporary passport, what the US calls an emergency passport, and Taiwan will also provide a related document. Your nationality hasn't been confiscated, I know that.

Give me a break, Stan, are you scolding me? My real... can you still go to the mainland, go back to Taiwan, are you still in a human rights prison?

Am I still in a human rights prison? I am still in a human rights prison, but there are legal procedures to apply.

Stan, if I am allowed to return to Taiwan, just give me back my valid passport. Why do you make me get some extra document added as a second one? You know, the reason the US allows you to enter and exit, it can let you return to the US, but it doesn't guarantee you can go to other countries. Advanced Parole, this thing is called Advanced Parole.

No, no, definitely not, because I've already run my legs off. I've been running for almost three years. I've run to the State Department, I've run to human rights organizations, I've run to various units, saying I have no passport, what should I do? So Stan, this problem will only be understood the day when your passport is crudely confiscated. The procedure is that you can first go to the embassy—that is TECO, the Taiwan office—to apply for that document for traveling back and forth to Taiwan, and then in Taiwan, not when you are outside Taiwan, you can apply for a passport. Once you arrive in Taiwan...

Stan, my passport is valid, give me thousands of breaks. I didn't forge it, nor did I fabricate it; it's a passport within its validity period. Let me ask you, Stan, if you give me your NT$1,000 bill, and then I write 'Peng Weng-cheng' and sign on the thousand-dollar bill, and say 'take this to 7-11 to buy things,' isn't that a different issue?

If your passport is revoked, there are various reasons, possibly related to the law, because Taiwan is a democratic country, and Taiwan ranks very high in all sorts of organizations; it is a society ruled by law.

Taiwan is a democratic country, yes. Taiwan is a democratic country, let me ask you, Stan, if Taiwan is a democratic country, then what about those mass recalls, casually slapping journalists with espionage charges and throwing them into prison, and sentencing Ko Wen-je to 17 years without a single piece of evidence...

How could there be no evidence? Fine, let me ask you again, is that your evidence? Stan, let me ask you again, the People's Republic of China—the one you look down on the most—their court trials are even live-streamed. Does Taiwan's court allow live streaming? Does it allow it?

According to Taiwan's law, as I recall, Taiwan's courts do not have live streaming.

Then the CCP can fabricate a little show of their own legal system, which cannot be compared to Taiwan's democratic procedures. Sometimes with democratic procedures, you might find more traditional practices are better, for example, Taiwan's vote-counting procedure, which every American envies because mail-in ballots are not allowed; you must read out the votes loudly. Right now, American conservatives deeply admire Taiwan's election system.

That's because they don't know me. Stan, let me ask you, when Tsai Ing-wen rigged the party primary against Lai Ching-te, was that called an election?

Do you have evidence that it was rigged? As I recall...

Because you haven't watched *Challenging Times*. When the president said she used a so-called sampling frame... It's very simple, I'll take the name list of your fan club, Stan, and hand it to them, saying 'Come, come, let's use this list to draw lots for our party primary.'

We seem to be getting a bit off topic. Just now we were talking about passports, weren't we?

No, no, no, no. We are talking about democracy now, democracy. Taiwan is a democratic country.

Back to the passport: let me ask you, have you ever heard in the United States, or in the history of the Republic of China, of someone whose passport was confiscated even before a court session was held and without any conviction? Have you ever heard of that? Also, Stan, have you ever heard of someone being sued for defamation by the president, only for the president to have all related evidence sealed until December 31, 2138? Since you know the law, you should know whether either defense counsel can have their own evidence sealed and still win in court. Let me ask you again, Stan: today my case is one of criminal defamation. In criminal defamation, a defendant is not required to appear in court; that is what the law stipulates. Why must I appear? I had two lawyers present to represent me, and I even requested to appear via video link, yet the judge directly issued an arrest warrant without giving any reason, claiming I failed to appear. Also, Stan, let me ask you: do you know of any court in Taiwan that does not have both parties agree on a date, but simply tells you out of the blue, 'On such and such a year, month, and day, Stan, you must appear in court'? Have you ever heard of that? I'll tell you about a second case: right now, at this very moment, I am sitting at home with my hands tied behind my back, waiting for anyone to come and arrest me. Furthermore, let me tell you something else. What I'm talking about right now you might not have understood, which is that the time scheduled for me to return to court was not agreed upon by my lawyers, nor was it ever negotiated. Have you ever heard of any court, whether civil or criminal, where the times are not coordinated between both parties, but instead mandated arbitrarily?

Generally speaking, some courts will directly set dates; that is not illegal. And did you provide the relevant information about your representation to the court in Taiwan? Because they might not know who the lawyer representing you is, which is also a possibility.

You are straying too far from this issue. If you are truly someone who cares about human rights in Taiwan, I strongly suggest you look into this case properly. I'll gift you a copy of the book *Evil Officials*.

What I want to tell Stan is that when we go to the UK, you can hand it to me right on the spot, no problem.

And besides, Stan, what I want to tell you is that I left this book in the United States...

But Professor Peng, hold on a second. Didn't you just say you currently don't have a passport? If you don't have a passport, how did you get to the UK?

I have one now, I have one now, because the Americans knew I was wronged, so they gave me a way. So I'll tell you about that when we meet. They give you a travel document and an advance parole, so you can return to that...

I've heard of that, I've heard of that, but Trump writes letters to many people. My friends who are seeking political asylum have also received letters from Trump. I can take my friend's case—she escaped to the US from Hong Kong and has always been doing that kind of research; she wrote to the White House, and Trump wrote back to her. Another good friend of mine, Gong Xiaoxia, has had presidents of all eras write back to her. Basically, that doesn't happen anymore, because overseas cases don't necessarily affect you in the United States, especially if it's defamation. Under US law, there is no such thing as criminal defamation; it's all civil. So you see, can you leave the country? Didn't you get the documents? Is anyone restricting your freedom?

No, no, you can't put it that way. Saying it like that is like saying, Stan, you got stabbed by someone, and then you were sent to the emergency room, and the doctor saved your life, and then you say, 'It's fine, I'm alive anyway, let's not pursue it,' right? Well, Stan, I'm going to press you again...

Isn't this a bit different?

It's the exact same thing.

No, no, but look, I originally didn't intend to discuss President Tsai's thesis, but the thesis is right there, you can look at it. You can click and view it on Wikipedia, and if you think this thesis is no good—it's something written over thirty years ago—then you can write a better one. Academia has always been about one person refuting another, who in turn refutes someone else.

Stan, Stan, you have completely lost the respect I originally had for you, because without any research into this issue, you are spouting nonsense. I have read the press release, and I have also read the clarification document from the University of London. So from now on, Stan, when you say these sorts of things, I will no longer believe you, nor will I call you a Christian brother, because you have no understanding of this matter whatsoever, and you lack empathy. Stan, do you know that my 96-year-old mother passed away the year before last, calling my name by her bedside, and I couldn't return? Do you know that?

That is very regrettable, that is very regrettable. I also hope you can be reunited with your family, but you said it was the Taiwan government not letting you go back, not your family.

My condolences. This is very—it shouldn't have happened in the first place; you should be able to accompany your own parents, right? Taiwan is a democratic country, Taiwan is a democratic country, Taiwan is a democracy. There is no doubt about that either, Professor Peng, there is no doubt about that, and you can also return to Taiwan. Currently, various units of the Taiwan government have all stated that you can return to Taiwan.

Give me back my passport! When he returns to Taiwan, can he give you a travel document? Isn't it? A travel document is not a passport, a travel document it's allowed... I... I... It's a travel document, there is no problem. I know many Americans lose their passports abroad, and they apply for that emergency document, that emergency passport allows them to go back.

That's for a lost passport. Are you encouraging me to lie?

No, because if your passport was confiscated, if there is a reason you cannot get your regular passport—since under some conditions those things can be subject to legal restrictions—then you can get a travel document, you can too. He might be afraid that if he issues a passport to you, you won't return to Taiwan, you'll go somewhere else. After all, Taiwan has so many visa-free countries.

Welcome, welcome, you are welcome anytime.

I can go to the airport anytime, no problem, that's fine too, both are great.

Well, are British wives all good? We'll go to the UK today to investigate properly and hold a press conference, I'm OK with that.

OK, we'll go to LSE, we'll go to that LSE, no problem at all. I've been to LSE, and all the video recordings I made at the time, everyone I interviewed told me, 'No, there is no dissertation by Tsai Ing-wen.' What you see today is just her collecting her notes in 2019 and submitting them. You'll know once you look at it. If you look at the first three pages and still believe that is a dissertation, Stan, I tip my hat to you, that's called 'I fool you.'

But do you mean to say that LSE is such... because I know you admire prestigious universities. Last time you described UPENN by saying that as soon as you arrived there, you felt like, wow, every single person is like Einstein welcoming you to study. You really like prestigious universities, you deeply respect those prestigious schools. LSE is also a school famous for all kinds of research. When my doctoral thesis was published, they also invited people from... because I studied at Sussex, I had my reviewing professor, he was from SOAS, he was from SOAS, which is also the School of Oriental and African Studies of the University of London, because that field is somewhat similar. LSE certainly must have found external scholars to conduct a review and audit, and then put forward opinions, because after the defense there definitely must be some corrections, that's the procedure...

Not necessarily, this depends on how the professors decide. I don't know what her defense was like at that time, but I don't think LSE would casually grant a doctoral degree to someone who didn't do research, didn't publish papers, and didn't have a thesis.

How did Gaddafi's son get his degree?

Gaddafi? I don't know.

Do you know how corrupt these top British figures are? Also, Stan, are you questioning the entire British education system? I cannot accept that, Britain is extremely rigorous.

I did, I do, to some extent I think so, because they are all as wishful as you and unwilling to face the truth. Let me tell you, Stan, I published a book called Evils. I put the face of Tsai Ing-wen and the then-director of the London School of Economics, Minouche Shafik, both of their faces on this English book. The English title is Evils. You can go to the United States Library of Congress, you can go to the British Library, they both collected it, and they even sent me a thank-you letter. Do you think they are collecting English...

Of course that's your freedom of publication, that's great.

No, you said that was a rumor, and with such a sensitive topic on it, do you think they would collect it? If you don't believe it, write one.

No way, you write one and see if the British major libraries will collect it or not!

Second. Regarding freedom of speech and freedom of the press, you basically write that, unless it is advocating terrorism, everything else can actually be published. So I deeply respect and honor your freedom of speech, and your investigation related to President Tsai's doctoral degree. I am stating the facts, and I must base it on facts. But are the attitude and position of LSE different? Is the British government different as well? Have your arguments also been refuted? Do you know what they said after 2020 and 2023? What did they say? So your problem right now is that you haven't actually entered into any research regarding the issue of Tsai Ing-wen and Dr. Chia. This is also my fault, because I didn't mail my book to you sooner. Maybe some people don't even know who I am anymore, even though our channel has been around for a long time—we have been running our channel for eight or nine years. If you read this book and can present strong evidence proving that I am wrong, I will publicly apologize to you. I will apologize to everyone in the world; you don't need to apologize to me about right and wrong. I like communication, you see. It's great for you to present your argument, I will read it, and then I can make my response. No, Stan, what I am talking to you about right now is not that. This is what our founding marshal said, the Polish independence hero, Józef Piłsudski. But you see, Poland later became a communist country again, right? Occupied and forced upon us. Did we choose to become a communist country? Were we coerced? And then we were betrayed by the Democrats, we were betrayed by FDR. I think many people really like FDR, but I truly harbor a deep hatred for FDR. He betrayed my country and also prolonged the history of the Great Depression. What I am telling you right now is that the United States is betraying Taiwan; my feeling is identical to yours. I disagree with that. Those Roosevelts are right now in the US political establishment. I disagree with that. I support Trump, I strongly support Trump. I also support Trump, I support the Republican Party. Yes, I also support the Republican Party because I like its traditional Christian values—this is something I cannot compromise on. Yes. But they have done many human rights issues that have seriously violated human rights. Not necessarily, you have to look at things like the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act, which was also passed by the Republican Party. Many things the Republican Party does in terms of human rights issues are also very breakthrough moves, like targeting Cuba and targeting Venezuela; these are all necessary measures. What I am talking to you about right now is at the micro level, while you are talking to me about US Foreign Policy in your papers. What I am talking to you about right now is an individual case. All right, then this issue... excuse me, I went off script today because I got a little emotional. Very good, very good, very good, extremely good, as much as possible, as much as possible, as much as possible, very good. I want to tell you, in the seven and a half years I have been hosting, this is the only time I have gotten angry on a show. Other times I dare not; whatever people say about me, whatever they curse me with, even cursing my ancestors to the eighth generation, I just smile it off. Why? What I am defending is not Peng Wen-cheng's innocence; what I am defending is truth and values. You can imagine, if a doctoral degree can be messed around with like this, do Taiwan's children still need to study? What the hell is the point of my resisting China to protect Taiwan? So what I want to say today is that what we need to jointly pursue today is a value, not whether Peng Wen-cheng's backing makes sense—even if Peng Wen-cheng were to drop dead, it wouldn't matter if there were ten of them. You can't put it that way either; it's not a question of whether you drop dead or not, it's whether defamation is established, because you haven't been sentenced yet. My trial hasn't even started yet. True, true. Then maybe you'll be found not guilty when you go back? That's also possible. All right. But, Stan, I think we should pause this topic slightly here, freeze it right here, otherwise we won't finish talking even if we talk until tomorrow morning. Okay, great. Let's change the topic; for this one, everyone can just keep their own stance. I promise you, I will mail the book to you. I beg you, please take a look at the English part, because all the evidence is on it, including LSE, including the UK Information Commissioner Office, including the UK tribunal court. They have all made decisions, so it is definitely not as you imagine, where the London School of Economics has admitted it—No, a letter from the London School of Economics written internally says, "The English copy of the certificate is clearly a fake." I placed this letter on the cover of our book, so I believe someone as upright and kind as you, Stan—a devout Christian, my dear brother—I believe that after you finish reading this letter and reading this entire book, you will change your stance, and at that time we will have more consensus.

Alright, let's switch the topic. Right, let's change the subject. Yes, what you might be more interested in is Taiwan's democracy, whether China is democratic, and why Peng Wenzheng... It doesn't matter, right, and then your shift in stance. Are we going to talk about Peng Wenzheng and Chiang Wan-an today? The Mayor of Taipei? There's nothing to talk about regarding Chiang Wan-an. I'll say it again. If Chiang Wan-an really is a JSD or SJD today, then he isn't... he is a JD, but if he really says he is an SJD or JSD, well, it's on the official website of the 10th Legislative Yuan. Well, he's too humble, that's all I can say. No, you can't look at it that way. The volume is much higher. I'm telling you the truth. I might offend a lot of people who study SJD here, but let me tell you, SJD, give me a break, SJD. SJD is for foreigners who can't speak clearly, it's that simple. If you're not convinced, come challenge me. Huang Kuo-chang is the same, many people call it SJD. Right, let me tell you, the JD degree is a degree that about one-third of American college students want to pursue. And in these prestigious schools, you just casually... professors, let me tell you, a bachelor's degree in engineering, electrical engineering, has a higher gold content than a JD, because now those Silicon Valley companies earn more, and electrical engineering, carpentry, these all have high gold content and can earn a lot of money. I'm talking about Social Science now, okay? Social Science major students, most of them focused on JD program, pre-law, they go to study pre-law. He got a tenure track, Puma got a tenure track, right? After he finished that research, the school gave him a lifetime offer directly, he found a job. That means Stan, you don't understand the American academic system at all. American tenure at least requires you to be an assistant professor for at least 10 years, and you still might get tenure. That's tenure track. Professor Peng, track, track. Everyone, you get a tenure track, you finish 11 years, and then you become tenured, right? So I am very precise in saying tenure track. I understand what you mean, that some positions have tenure track. Right, some don't have tenure track. Right, some are just general lecturers, and some are assistant professors who are future tenure candidates, but you might not necessarily get it. You have a PhD, you are qualified to be a tenure professor, so they will definitely offer you a tenure track, basically there's no problem, unless you have a JD, you have an LLM, you're not qualified for a tenure professor, so you may not have a tenure track. Let me tell you, the difference is right here, you're just a lecturer. If you are a JD and you want to teach, you are just a lecturer. Right, of course, I agree with this.

Alright, what I'm going to talk about next is actually very simple. Personally, I feel that my degree is a Juris Doctor, and calling oneself a doctor is a bit of a stretch, right? But the word itself is doctor. Then let me ask you, Stan, why is it called a Juris Master? And why is a Medical Doctor translated as a Bachelor of Medicine in Taiwan? No, that's because—this is what I want to tell you—that's because Taiwan's medical education system is different. The medical department in Taiwan is a seven-year undergraduate program, whereas an American Medical Doctor degree is after college. Right, post-college. Right, but that's still not called a doctor, so because the academic qualifications differ, if you graduate from National Taiwan University's medical department and claim to you are a Ph.D. in medicine from National Taiwan University, you will be beaten to death. Of course, if you are a J.D. from U-Penn today and say you are a doctor, people will say oh OK OK. If you think you are a doctor, oh OK, because a Juris Doctor is a doctor. No, you'll be laughed at in the United States. Will you be laughed at for this? Ordinary people won't call their J.D. a doctor, but a Juris Doctor is a doctor. However, this is misleading voters, Professor Peng. This is misleading voters. You don't have a degree from doing academic research, yet you claim to be a doctor; you are misleading your voters. What's more, if you are—you didn't even get an S.J.D., yet you put this on your official website, the official website of the Legislative Yuan, which is an official website that cannot be modified, then you are misleading voters, you know? Doesn't it feel bad? Do you know? When Tsai Ing-wen is convicted, are you willing to throw eggs with me? Because Tsai Ing-wen published her fake academic credentials on the election bulletins of two terms. If you are certain about this matter, if there is a conviction, OK, if there is a conviction, if there is a verdict, of course, of course. But you say no, there isn't one right now either. That is your right, that is your freedom, and I also support your right and your freedom. Taiwan has no restrictions either, and Taiwan is not a member of the United Nations, so human rights are not necessarily defined by United Nations standards; there are various relations between countries. When I return to Taoyuan Airport, you can have me arrested; that is your administrative power. These are two different issues, you can return home, you can return home. I hold an account, why do I need to return home, what returning home? What returning home? Right? But if it is revoked, it becomes unvalid, it's not valid anymore. No, no, you haven't looked at Taiwan's laws at all. First, the crime of defamation; second, that court session doesn't need to be held, I don't need to appear in court, and I even told the judge, can you squeeze out some time because it was the pandemic back then.

Aren't we supposed to change the topic? We keep talking past each other, so let's switch topics since we've already covered this and you keep repeating the same content. I think you are a very knowledgeable person; we could discuss Taiwan-US relations, the Taipei mayoral election, or even Taiwan-Poland relations. Things have been very good lately; a Taiwanese industrial park is opening in our city of Wrocław, with many Taiwanese people coming to invest, and that's because of Stan. No, that has nothing to do with me, but I have met the Polish President and the former Prime Minister, and they are both very supportive of Taiwan. First, on the international stage, at the Atlantic Council, when he was Prime Minister—and essentially, the Polish Prime Minister and President are on equal footing—Mateusz Morawiecki of the conservative Law and Justice party said in Washington D.C. at the Atlantic Council that Taiwan is a sovereign and independent country. He is a person who is very supportive of Taiwan and said he does not want Taiwan to lose its sovereign independence. When Ukraine was attacked, Poland did not send troops; in fact, the war to defend a country is the duty of that country's people, but Poland can help, and the US can help by providing weapons. Professor Peng, let me tell you, there is a consensus based on the close cooperation and interaction between the Polish and US Departments of Defense: if a war breaks out, for example, if Russia were to attack us, what would we do? First, we must strengthen our own army, because infantry and such things are things we must do ourselves; this is the most critical part. And what about the US? How would the US assist in defense? Air force, intelligence, and weapons—these three. So now Poland has also obtained the most advanced F-35s and so on, but Poland has also made it very clear that the hardest work on the battlefield is something we must do ourselves, which is why we are building an army of 300,000, and our defense budget has already reached 5% of GDP. This is even higher than what Elbridge Colby, who is now the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, originally requested. He also said that Poland is a "Noble Exception" in all of Europe; we are a noble exception because we attach great importance to our own national defense. In fact, it is the same for Taiwan; if a war occurs, Taiwan needs to protect itself, but allies will assist in the defense. These allies include Japan, the US, the Philippines, South Korea, and Poland, in terms of providing military equipment, sanctioning the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), and enabling Taiwan to have the capability to protect itself in its own defensive war, we will certainly make every effort we can.

I am most afraid of the current situation, because I was just talking about this with your assistant—your assistant has great ideas and is excellent; you are very good at cultivating talent, and the people who work with you all have great ideas. I think this is a wonderful thing, and I also greatly admire your professionalism as a media personality. That is to say, what I personally fear most is the "theory of Taiwan"—if the Americans do not trust Taiwan, it is a bit like how the Biden administration looked down on Ukraine back then, thinking Ukraine wouldn't fight or protect itself, and feeling that Zelenskyy would retreat, and that we should just prepare for the country to be partitioned and destroyed, not knowing that Ukraine would hold its ground. But if the US had provided enough military equipment to protect Ukraine in 2022, unlike how Germany provided helmets back then, perhaps this war would not have lasted so long. Ukraine had chances for successful counterattacks, a few times, like when Prigozhin mutinied and the Russian army began to retreat in the summer of 2022, but the Biden administration was still hesitant at that time. I hope the US views Taiwan the same way it views Poland: as a key ally willing to protect itself. Because, of course, Americans will tell you that the US is afraid of a repeat of the Vietnam War, feeling that this war is not our war and that they don't seem to need us. But I want Americans to know that Taiwanese people will protect themselves, that Taiwanese people stand for the same values and are in the same camp, and therefore, the US must believe in Taiwan and trust Taiwan.

So at this point, our analysis might be very different. The more you turn yourself into a porcupine—that is, Porcupine Diplomacy—you are a Libertarian. What is the logo for the Libertarian Party? Is the Democratic Party a donkey? Is the Republican Party an elephant? Then what is the Libertarian Party? Is it a porcupine? A porcupine. Why a porcupine? Because it's prickly. "Don't tread on me," just like that Gadsden Flag, just like that rattlesnake—it means don't let anyone touch you. Do you not know the difference between a porcupine and a suckling pig? A roasted suckling pig is called roast suckling pig, and a roasted porcupine is called roast porcupine; that's the difference. Try catching a porcupine first; you won't be able to, and your face will be full of quills. You know that nowadays, the ones catching porcupines are drones, so only drones have quills; humans don't. Taiwan also needs to build a drone industry, a fleet of drones and unmanned naval vessels. Strategically speaking, if you have the chance to come, I'll pick you up at the airport on the 3rd, and I'll take you with me. I'll accompany you on a trip to Washington to meet some of my good friends. You can ask them; I go to Washington D.C. three or four times a year, and I often conduct interviews with many think tanks and members of Congress. You can see quite a lot of that on my channel. But no problem, if you go to Washington, I can meet you there. Sure, I might be in the U.S. at the end of the year. We can get together and pool our diplomatic friends to do things for Taiwan. I'd be very happy to do that. After all, I am a native-born Taiwanese.

The reason why I am telling you today that we should talk about peace and sit down to negotiate is because I am fully aware of Taiwan's crisis. How could I not hope that Taiwan could become a strong and powerful Eastern Switzerland? But I want to tell Stan, the reality is very, very... how should I put it... It's not as bleak as you think. I think "bleak" is the word that you were reaching out for, right? It's not bleak. It's pretty optimistic, actually. The future is bright for Taiwan. I think I'm just realistic. Realistic. And I must tell Stan, did you watch the episode where I interviewed Tsai Ing-wen? Oh, yes. I feel that you... I was very saddened to see that, because this is not the Peng Wen-cheng I know. Well, it doesn't matter. I was very sad to see it, because this is not the Peng Wen-cheng I know. Don't be sad. Many people in the Pan-Green camp think this way, but after they hear me finish explaining my journey, they all say, "Fine, I wish you well. I understand your logic, and I also understand the evidence you have in your hands." Before I came to the United States, I was not this kind of person. And it's not because I was persecuted by Tsai Ing-wen or fired from FTV that I turned blue or red. It's not, absolutely not. Everyone can go and look at the battles I've fought and the legwork I've done for Taiwan diplomatically in the past. I guarantee it's more than all of you who are scolding me in the June district combined. You can ask those overseas compatriots who are scolding me whether I have ever taken a single cent from them. I have never bowed for five pecks of rice, I have never served any political party, and I have never served the Kuomintang.

So what I want to tell Stan today is that I have seen some things that perhaps you haven't, and I personally believe that if Taiwan loses the opportunity for negotiation, we will likely have to face a direct conflict. The question is, do you think the Taiwanese people are prepared for war? I don't think so. Can Taiwan withstand a war? I don't think so. First, Taiwan is small; second, Taiwan is close to mainland China; third, mainland China is rising—otherwise, the United States wouldn't be so afraid of mainland China's rise, whether it's in the economy, the military, or other aspects. Also, Stan, you know what? I have been in contact with a great many friends from all walks of life in mainland China here. I wouldn't dare say that everyone thinks the current Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has improved, because many people criticize the CCP, but I don't think anyone would deny that in the process from 1949 to 2026, having gone through the Three Red Banners, the Great Leap Forward, and the People's Communes, they made a mess of the country and killed at least 40 million people. Yes, Chiang Kai-shek also killed hundreds of thousands, you might not remember that. I know, I think the Kuomintang (KMT) and the CCP are about the same, and now the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is adding to that. Ah, no, the DPP hasn't killed anyone, that's because it's not allowed now. You can't compare a Louis Vuitton bag from Paris to the bound feet of a Qing Dynasty grandmother; those are different times, OK? But there was no DPP back then? Of course there was no DPP, so you can't compare them, that's just the fact. The DPP has never persecuted any ethnic group, so what are you comparing? You want to compare the judiciary during the KMT's rule, the Ma Ying-jeou era, with the judiciary under the DPP, Tsai Ing-wen, and Lai Ching-te? I'll tell you, Stan, you must have watched my show and seen how I roasted Ma Ying-jeou when he was in power. I roasted everything from Ma Ying-jeou's surname and his educational background to his entire family. Has Lai Ching-te been criticized? A bunch of people took to the streets to protest, shouting for him to step down on Ketagalan Boulevard, calling him all sorts of nasty things, and was his mother's home harassed like that? I mean in Wanli. I hope you... how did I criticize her on my show? Has the KMT ever criticized me, confiscated my passport, or threatened me? Not a single time. I tell you, this is the truth. Hung Meng-kai, Mao Chia-ching, Hsu Chiao-hsin—these spokespeople would come privately and say, 'Brother Wen-cheng, oh, don't be like this, this isn't actually how it is.' They all communicate with the media like that. Do you know that my show, 'Politics and Economy on FTV,' was shut down in a single day? As an advocate for human rights, 90% of my time on 'Politics and Economy on FTV' was spent saying good things about the DPP, and I only spoke about a small part of the DPP because of the Chao Teng-hsiung case. I believe the 6.6 billion NTD from the Chao Teng-hsiung case should have been accounted for to the public; it couldn't just be sealed away. Because of this, my show was shut down in one day. Can you tell me if any political commentary show in the history of the KMT was ever shut down in a single day? So today I want to tell Stan that you have to compare apples to apples. In the history of the KMT, didn't you also lack the freedom to criticize the KMT? Because during martial law, everything had to be audited and censored; it was a time of extreme lack of freedom of speech. But is this party the same? Has this party not changed? It's not the same, right? We said to Professor Peng, we in Poland abolished the communist party that persecuted human rights, so didn't Taiwan abolish the KMT? The KMT is still here, and they haven't apologized either. By what right do you abolish it? The White Terror, the February 28 Massacre, the White Terror. Do you know that there is a communist party in the United States? Do you know that there is a communist party headquarters in New York? Right? So, actually, the U.S. has relevant anti-communist laws that should be abolished, and this should also be condemned, right? This is also a freedom that shouldn't exist, because you shouldn't have the freedom to destroy freedom, since both communism and Nazism are terrorism. You say you have this freedom, but isn't that a different meaning? Right?

Let me tell you, we two should co-host a program together. Since both of our programs have many viewers, hosting until December 30, 2049, would be great, truly excellent. I feel I have gained a lot from discussing these topics with you today, and you are welcome to communicate with us in the future. I think this is very good—the collision, that kind of collision of opinions, I think it is fantastic. I also really like your program, and I admire your spirit as a media professional in pursuing the truth. I am also very grateful to Professor Peng for coming to 'News Hardcore' this time. Let us work together for Taiwan. I am often in the United States; let us work together for Taiwan so that more people are willing to support Taiwan. I am willing, I am very willing, but I hope Taiwan becomes better, and I hope Taiwan aligns itself with values. Do not lose these values just by thinking about security, but these values cannot be preserved under a communist system, so we must defend them. Be confident, be strong. No matter what, when doing a program, some videos from mainland China are now willing to broadcast it. I am conveying my philosophy and values, and I hope that one day they can see 'Zheng Jing Guan Bu Liao' (Politics and Economics Cannot Be Closed). That would mean both sides of the strait will increasingly share common values. And I want to tell Stan that almost all mainland Chinese people in the United States are watching 'Zheng Jing Guan Bu Liao' because I know very clearly that many of them have told me in person that they identify with my values—not my values of peaceful unification, but the values I have held unchanged for decades, striving for a so-called common human pursuit that is higher than any political party. I believe what Stan is doing is the same; it is just that in some small areas, we need to fine-tune each other. But I would be even more delighted to join you at the London School of Economics and Political Science to uncover the truth about Tsai Ing-wen's thesis. I also look forward to visiting some members of Congress, think tanks, and relevant dignitaries in Washington D.C. with you, so we can promote Taiwan together. Thank you, thank you, Professor Peng. Alright, I also highly encourage everyone to subscribe to 'Zheng Jing Guan Bu Liao', and to the good friends of 'Zheng Jing Guan Bu Liao', because I know this program will be broadcast on Professor Peng's channel tomorrow. You are also welcome to subscribe to 'News Hardcore'. Yes, to 'News Hardcore', and all of Stan's supporters and the Green Camp's supporters are welcome to criticize me as much as you like. Just don't use profanity; that's useless. And don't make personal attacks; that's useless. You can criticize me as much as you want and debate with me. And if you are willing to come on my program to debate me, I am very welcoming. It's great, truly great. Alright, thank you, thank you Professor, thank you Stan, thank you, God bless you.