"When trouble erupts in the Taiwan Strait, Finland can't escape!" Finnish MP reveals Taiwan's true importance
节目访问芬兰国会议员 Ville Kaunisto，讨论台湾与芬兰在地缘政治、能源韧性及科技发展上的关联。议员表示，台湾海峡虽距离芬兰遥远，但台海局势可能影响芬兰运作；他还介绍芬兰96%的洁净能源占比，并提到太空科技、量子技术和AI等投资领域。
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我认为台湾和芬兰都，他们在那个领域有非常好的实力。到头来，我认为这对世界是好事，如果我们找到解决方案，能够支持自由，以及帮助人类的技术。
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新闻硬邦邦听新闻最爽我叫 Stan，今天我很荣幸参加 EFTA 会议。我身边有 Ville Kaunisto，芬兰的国会议员。议员，谢谢你如此谢谢你同意参加我的节目。
没问题，没问题。
你觉得今天的活动怎么样？
非常有趣。我的意思是，在我的工作中，获取资讯是最重要的事，因为这样你才能做决定，依据资讯和事实。而对我来说，这类活动总是非常有趣，能学到更多、理解更多。芬兰是个小国，我们有自己的问题，但若能广泛理解世界如何运作，我认为这是很有意思的一天。
嗯，这就是台湾人人民也会这样告诉你：台湾是个小国。你认为为什么台湾对芬兰人，以及对芬兰这个国家很重要？
我的意思是，这件事情是，从芬兰的角度来看，有趣的是，当然，当我们现在审视地缘政治时，一切都在围绕著乌克兰，是芬兰每个人都在关注的焦点，以及我们如何应对俄罗斯，以及那如何演变，以及我们如何实现持久的公正和平。
然后还有荷莫兹海峡，这影响著我们的日常生活，还有瓦斯价格等一切。而那样的，首先是乌克兰层级，那很接近，而且大家都同意。接著是荷莫兹，而在芬兰，你已经能感受到那种大家可以对这件事有非常不同的看法，因为它离得稍微远一些。
然后当我们看台湾，或是台湾海峡，它离芬兰那么远，以至于所知与理解都有限。但当你了解台湾的重要性，或是台湾海峡，以及它是如何运作的，你就会明白，它基本上可以让芬兰停摆。
所以我看到三种不同的距离，这些区域以许多方式影响芬兰，但你走得越远，当然了解的人就越少。这可以理解，但正因如此，我认为今天的活动如此重要。
你以前去过台湾，对吧？
我不到一年前去过台北，谈到芬兰的能源系统，以及我们如何把它打造得具有韧性，让我们不必依赖俄罗斯。比如说德国在战前对这件事抱持非常不同的看法，而现在他们正苦苦挣扎。
至于我们芬兰人，我们有再生电力生产，占比是 96%，洁净能源。所以那是我在台湾要谈的一件事，告诉你们如何打造这种韧性，透过有耐心且规划完善的系统。
而且这趟访问非常有趣，因为它让我了解台湾如何运作，以及他们的能源系统如何运作，以及当地有哪些困难。因为就像我说的，芬兰实在太遥远了，而要更了解它，能亲眼看到它真是太好了，第一手。
你认为有没有任何方面是能源领域、科技或日常生活方面，芬兰能向台湾学习，而台湾能向芬兰学习？
我的意思是，我个人认为，我们正踏进这个科技进步的新时代，随著 AI 以及围绕 AI 的一切，而有好多机会，它能创造的正面事物。但接著也有风险。
而对我来说，这就只是一切都在于找到可以一起做生意的朋友，并创造出那个安全的环境，让你能够在其中驾驭各种新科技，这些科技肯定会改变世界。
而我认为台湾和芬兰都，他们在那个领域都有很强的实力。而到头来，我认为这对世界是好事，如果我们找到解决方案能够支持自由，以及帮助人类的技术。
我的观众大多是台湾人，所以如果有机会让你推荐芬兰的一些投资领域，你会向台湾人推荐什么？
这个嘛，芬兰在许多领域都极具优势。当然，太空科技是其中一个大型且目前正在成长的领域，而我们又再次谈到欧洲的主权，我们如何在这些紧张局势中应对，在地缘政治格局中？
太空、量子、AI，我是说非常优秀的领域。然后我是说，各种不同类型的技术和产业，但那些才是真正有趣的。就像我说的，这是增长与加速，在技术发展方面，这将会改变世界。
所以我真心希望芬兰能够参与这场竞赛，而我们将会与我们的朋友一起做到。
非常感谢您，议员。最后一个问题，如果你有什么想对台湾朋友说的？
我的意思是，就像我先前在演讲中说的，你要建立韧性，你要建立实力，你要建立竞争力，而你建立更美好的未来，是靠每天做对的事。而我认为这是芬兰可以向世界展示的一个例子。
谢谢！
I think Taiwan and Finland have both they have very good strength on that area. At the end of the day I think it's good for the world if we find solutions that give that support freedom and technologies that help the humankind.
My name is Stan and today I have an honor to take part in the EFTA conference and I have Ville Kaunisto MP from Finland with me. MP thank you so much for agreeing to take part in my show.
No problem no problem.
What do you think about today's event?
Very interesting. I mean, in my work, getting information is the most important thing because then you can make decisions based on information and facts. And to me, these kind of events are always very interesting to learn more and understand more. Finland is a small country. We have our own problems, but to understand broadly how the world works, I think this is a very interesting day.
Well that's what the Taiwanese people would also tell you. Taiwan is a small country. Why do you think Taiwan is important for the Finnish people and for Finland as a country?
I mean, the thing is, what is interesting from Finland's perspective is, of course, when we look at geopolitics right now, everything is surrounding around Ukraine, is on everybody's mind in Finland, and how we deal with Russia and how that evolves, and how do we get a lasting just peace.
And then you have Strait of Hormuz, which is affecting our everyday life and gas prices and everything. And that kind of, first you have that Ukraine level, which is close and everybody agrees. Then you have Hormuz, and you already get this sense in Finland that you can have very different opinions about it because it's a little bit further away.
And then when we look at Taiwan or Strait of Taiwan and it's so far from Finland that knowledge and understanding is limited. But when you understand the importance of Taiwan or Strait of Taiwan and how it works, you understand it, it can basically stop Finland.
So I see three different distances of areas that affect Finland in many ways, but the further you go, the less people understand of course. Which is understandable but that's why I think today's event is so important.
You have been to Taiwan before right?
I was in Taipei less than a year ago talking about Finnish energy system and how we build it resilient so that we were not dependent on Russia. Say Germany had a very different kind of view on it before the war and now they are struggling.
With us Finns we have renewable electricity production. It's 96% clean energy. So that was one thing that I was in Taiwan to talk about, to tell how you can create this kind of resilience with a patient and well-planned system.
And also the visit was very interesting because it gave me a perspective of how Taiwan works and how their energy system works and what are the difficulties there. Because like I said Finland is so far away and to understand it better, it was great to see it firsthand.
Do you think that there are any aspects of the energy sector or of technology or everyday life that Finland can learn from Taiwan and Taiwan can learn from Finland?
I mean, I personally think that we are stepping into this new era of technological advancement with AI and everything that is around AI. And there are so many opportunities, the positive things that it can create. But then there are the risks.
And to me it's just everything is based on finding friends to do business with and create that safe environment where you can navigate through new technologies that will change the world for sure.
And I think Taiwan and Finland has both they have very good strength on that area. And at the end of the day I think it's good for the world if we find solutions that give that support freedom and technologies that help the humankind.
Most of my viewers are Taiwanese so if you had an opportunity to recommend some investment areas in Finland what would you recommend to the Taiwanese people?
Well, we are extremely good on many areas in Finland. Of course space tech is one of the big growing ones right now. And again we come to the sovereignty in Europe. How do we manage in these tensions in the geopolitical landscape?
Space quantum AI. I mean very good ones. Then I mean a long variety of different kind of technologies and industries. But those are the interesting ones.
Like I said, it's the increase and the acceleration in the development of technologies, it's going to change the world. So I really hope that Finland is going to be in that race and we're going to be doing that with our friends.
Thank you so much MP. And final question if you have anything to say to the Taiwanese friends?
I mean, like I said in my speech earlier, you build resilience and you build strength and you build competitiveness and you build a better future by doing the right things every day. And I think that's one example that Finland can show to the world.
Kiitos!