斯坦正面对决彭文正!从JD博士争议到统独交锋:台湾被侵略,该抵抗还是妥协?
波兰籍台湾议题倡议者斯坦与资深媒体人彭文正进行跨阵营连线辩论。双方就美国法律博士JD学位是否应称为博士、蒋万安学历争议、蔡英文论文真伪、护照被没收与人权议题、两岸统独交锋以及台湾面对中共侵略时应抵抗还是妥协等议题展开激烈讨论与意见碰撞。
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我们波兰废除了那个共产党嘛,破坏人群的那个共产党,那台湾没有废除国民党嘛,国民党依然在嘛,你凭什么废除,那不是民主国家吗,你凭什么废除国民党,你凭什么废除统一促进党,是吗,台湾是民主国家,台湾是民主国家,目前台湾政府各个单位也都说您可以回到台湾,回到台湾,还我护照啊,回到台湾,他可以给你travel document吗,不是吗,
Travel document is not a passport, the airline, the airline need a passport, not a travel document, who the Taiwan, what the Taiwan is?
我,我,它是个travel document,没有问题的,我知道很多美国人在国外把护照丢掉了,他就是申请那个emergency document,那个emergency passport,
好,那我们进入今天的直播之前,我跟大家讲,请在聊天室里面保持冷静,有礼貌,我们今天要突破同温层,我们就是要跟不同阵营的好朋友一起聊,然后我们就热烈欢迎彭文正教授来跟我们今天辩论。那彭教授,你要先做您的节目的开场吗?
没有关系,我可以用你的节目开场做我的开场,没有问题。
那Stan,你的支持者跟我绝对是同一个阵营的,因为我们都是,这港爱台湾啦,大家说对不对?
是喔,这港爱台湾的啦。
都是台派是不是?
我们都是台派啊。
我们在台派的时候那些青鸟都还没出生的喔,对吧?
我是今天跟您助理有说嘛,我希望我们今天可以很友善的,做一个就是不同意见的碰撞的一个直播,然后因为我们两个都是基督徒,然后我们两个也都是有博士学位,真正博士学位跟台北市长讲完不一样,然后呢,因为我都是很关心台湾的未来的两个人,所以很欢迎到我们新闻硬邦邦的频道。Stan,你的英文,你的中文真的比我预期的好太多了。不过因为为了公平起见,所以我跟Stan达成一个交易,就是说我们前半用英文,后半用中文嘛,这样子其实还蛮好的对不对让我很久,我很久没有讲英文了嘛,回到台湾也三十几年,然后现在来美国这几年,所以我大概就只会讲This is a book, Those are books。那没有关系,我今天就借这个机会,来练习练习英文了。所以我们,因为英文不是我的母语,也不是您的母语,所以刚好我们就,前段可以用英文在聊天对。我很想学波兰语可是,我的舌头已经打结了很辛苦那很辛苦,我不建议,如果跟波兰没有太深的往来无论是媒体上,还是生意上不建议,这个语言是很难学的很难学。可是你真的有语言天才,你的英文我听过很好,中文又非常的好,很羡慕你。
我日文也蛮好的。日本语大丈夫ですか。日本语は台湾で学びました。台湾の政治大学こんにちは、こんばんわ。你知道为什么こんにちは叫做こんにちは吗?今日好啊。为什么?是今日的意思。今天跟你打上招呼对。因为今天的时间还很长嘛,所以,你常常会换裤子,所以叫做,那你知道为什么是晚上呢?对呀,因为晚上要睡觉了嘛,裤子不要换了嘛,裤子不要换了嘛。
好,好,好。
OK,呃,那么你要不要说明一下我们今天的规则,我们还没有开始了?
OK,OK,OK,Before we start, yeah.
All right, Hi Everyone, Welcome to the True Voice of Taiwan for Stan. Thank you very much for caring so deeply about Taiwan. And speaking for you all these years. I'm proud of you. And I have the deepest respect for you.
Um, The reason we, We, I'm in your show, Because I was told that Stan posted the social media saying, That JD doesn't make you a doctor。
所以,蒋万安不是博士,这是非常重要的。谢谢,给斯丹,您,让我说明。以前,我们没有了这样的适合,但是我觉得我们特别人,社会和我们会公平,我们会说到这一件事。但是在去控制时间,我们分解时间,我们分解时间,五分钟,或三至五分钟,在你的speech,然后你可以挑战我三分钟,然后我可以挑战你三分钟,然后在第二段时间,我们可以做同样的事情,然后到三分钟至五分钟,5分钟,不只是假如,对吗?
对,那是正确的,对吗?
好的,所以,我开始了吗?
是的,拜托。
首先,我感谢你的节目,因为这个节目将会成为你的节目,我曾经一个长期的支持者,当你在台湾,正经看民视。I've been watching the show, just when I arrived in Taiwan. I remember you since that time, and for me your change of, your political preferences, referring to Mayor Chiang, they don't really have, you know, 政党倾向。
no no no, I didn't change.
okay, okay, okay, if you think so, and today I'd like to talk to you about why JD, this legal degree, this professional doctorate should not be considered a doctorate and it is not a doctorate. I have a couple of reference points here. First of all, in the United States, all of the JD degree owners, all of the JD degree holders, they don't call themselves doctors, and they are discouraged from calling themselves and referring to themselves as doctors. There is a relevant ABA regulation that says that all of the legal professionals should not be misleading the audience because there could be a confusion between the JD degree and the SJD degree and the PhD degree and the medical doctorate. So they should refrain from calling themselves doctors and use the label, it's an honorary name, it's called Esquire, they should be referring to themselves as Esquires, if they have passed the bar exam. JD used to be called LLB, basically it's a bachelor's degree, Bachelor of Law, up until 1971. And it is related to American history, to history of American education, because in the United States, your future lawyers were asked and were demanded to get their Bachelor's degree first, and only then they could enter law school. But the level of education and training they received, it's not a doctoral training. The Juris Doctor, this name, it's only an honorific, and that's why we have a lot of interesting regulations all around the world, for example in Canada, JDs are being considered LLBs, then UNESCO classifies JD degree as a master's degree, as a master's degree, then Australia also considers JD as a master's degree, and in European Union, in different countries there are different regulations, for example, you are everywhere, you're supposed to call yourself under your full degree, saying you're a Juris Doctor JD, but you cannot call yourself a doctor, right? You should not be calling yourself Dr. Chiang, or Dr. whatever, if you're a lawyer, you should use your name, Chiang Wan-an, and then JD or Esquire, if he has passed the exam, and he did, he could call himself Esquire, so therefore, and there are different regulations, for example in Germany, if you call yourself a doctor when you're not a doctor, you can face a prison sentence of one year, in France, in Switzerland, there are very high fines for misuse of those educational titles, right? And then coming to Taiwan, all of the lawyers, and there is a law in Taiwan, it's a recall and election act, and article 47 says that all of the candidates should provide accurate information about their degrees. What do we see in the Legislative Yuan's website? On the website you see that Mr. Chiang, that Mayor Chiang, called himself a SJD, right? On the English website, and then there are advertisements, which are not correct advertisements, where he calls himself a boshi, meaning doctor, even though in Taiwan, Taiwan's Ministry of Education, the whole degree is called, and then JD, and it equals to master's degree, and I think it is unfair, first of all to the PhDs, like yourself and me,or to the Taiwanese lawyers because in Taiwan you receive similar training, for example you are National Taiwan University, you receive an LLB from NTU and then you can also pass the bar exam in Taiwan, you can become a lawyer. But why a person who studied in America, in the United States, in a very good university, U-Pen is a great school, one of the best schools that can provide you with legal education, but it's not a doctoral degree, it's a professional degree. And why should we refer to people who got the same level of education as Taiwanese bachelors coming back to Taiwan, why should we call them doctors when they're not doctors? And a fair thing for Mayor Jiang would be to write the whole name of this degree, right, and not refer to himself as a doctor, because this is unfair first of all to Taiwanese, then it is a very grey area in Taiwan, and you can even say that to a certain extent it violates the Article 47. And number three, because nobody calls JD's doctors, President Obama, President Biden, and around 40% of all of the Congress people in the United States, they all hold JD degrees, did any of them refer to themselves as a doctor? No, no, they just use JD or Esquire, depending if they are practicing law. So this is my opening statement, and I would like to hear rebuttal.
Okay, thank you Stan. Let me first clear up something. I'm more than just a wanted man. I may be the only wanted man in history who shows his face every single day and keeps singing, you can catch me, you can catch me. And yet, the Republic of China government acts like I don't exist, no response at all, kind of like how the rest of the world looks right past that government. I've taken a little time to explain my situation because many people may not know where the case stands. My understanding of the written responses from the London School of Economics, the University of London, the UK Information Commission Office, and the UK Tribunal is that they do not establish any Tsai Ing-wen's records regarding she received a PhD. So I find it strange that people care so much about whether Jiang Wan's JD makes him a doctor or not while showing no interest in the question I have raised about Tsai Ing-wen's degree. I also find it strange that some people speak passionately about human rights in China, but have little tension about my situation. I supported the Democratic DPP Party across two generations, and I served as director of the Journalism Graduate Institute of National Taiwan University. That's why I followed Tsai Ing-wen's case. Here's the principle I hope we can all agree on. You can have a political position, but you still need a sense of right and wrong.
All right, now let's talk about what the JD actually is. My own education has taken a few turns. I study physics and agricultural extension as an undergrad at the University of Wisconsin. I study public policy for a master's degree and a PhD from the journalism and mass communications. I also studied counseling psychology at Tamkang University, theology at Good News Seminary, and I'm now studying for a doctoral degree in Chinese medicine.
All right, I also feel very happy to have mine being checked. So what I want to know is why the same scrutiny has been applied to Tsai Ing-wen. Stan, that's why I would really like to hear your review. You have a doctoral degree, you study in the United Kingdom, you care about academic credentials and integrity, and you speak for people's human rights. You are exactly the right person to discuss this issue.
Alright, I have a PhD. Over the decades, I have advised and recommended more than 20 students who went on to pursue different kinds of doctoral degrees. I once considered switching to law in the United States, so I spent a lot of time looking into American law degrees. I also studied on my own for two weeks and passed all six subjects of a higher-level legal examination in Taiwan, which is called 法务类高等检定考试. Two of my roommates in the United States were National Taiwan University Law graduate students and pursuing SJD at Wisconsin-Madison. My friends, Attorney Jiang Dienxiang, Tong Wenxun, they both have American JD degrees.
Okay, now a PhD stands for doctor of philosophy. That doesn't mean everyone with a PhD studies philosophy. You can earn a PhD in electronic engineering, journalism, music, and many other fields or law. Oh yeah, but they call it SJD or JSD or PhD of law, some universities offer that. Oh yeah, most still follow SJD or JSD because they think themselves are different from the PhD. So as the doctor of business administration, they use DBA.
All right, let's go back to the JD. Some professional fields use different degree names, such as MD, the doctor of medicine. Law has the JD, the Juris Doctor. These degrees focus more on professional training and practices, so their requirements differ from those of a research PhD. But doctor is still right there in the degree name.
All right, there is one thing Stan says that I agree with. In the United States, people with JDs generally don't go around calling themselves doctor. I totally agree. I have a PhD and I don't introduce myself to everyone saying, hey, I'm Dr. Peng either, but I have a choice to use that title if I should, if I can. All right, think about Taiwanese pastries, there's no sun inside the sun cake, nobody says we have to rename it. There is no wife inside a wife cake, 老婆饼里面没有老婆. Though, if there were, I might buy a whole box. But, in this case, the full name of JD actually is still Juris Doctor. If it were simply a master's degree in law, or if it is not a doctor, why would it have a doctor in its name?
Why don't they call themselves a Master of Juris Master? Okay, so whether a degree… There is an LLM for Master… After JD, actually. We call it Master of Legal Idiot. That's what MLI refers to. Okay, whether a degree is a doctoral or not isn't decided by whether it requires a dissertation. It depends on the degree, the university awards. You can debate how much a particular degree is worth. But that's a different question from whether the degree is real or not.
The questions I have raised about Tsai Ing-wen's degree are not just about whether she has a dissertation or not. I have asked whether she registered, paid tuition, entered the doctoral program, and completed oral examinations. Those are the records I want to see. On September 28th, LSE responded publicly to the UK Information Commission Office on the registration and payment questions. I want people to look closely at that response.
As for Jiang Wan, as JD from the University of Pennsylvania, I think people seriously underestimate what it takes to get into and finish that program. Some say he found a shortcut by doing an LLM or another master's program first and then applying to the JD program. Maybe they would help him. Yes, it is true. But do you really think every other applicant to a top law school is too foolish to think of it? If it were an easy shortcut, everyone would use it.
I have discussed the value of UPenn's JD in more detail on The True Voice of Taiwan, my program, every night from 8pm to 10pm, so I won't repeat all of it here. If Jiang Wanan really changed the degree listed on his resume from J.D. to S.J.D. on the Xuanzi Gong Bao or whatever, I think he was being far too modest. If he had both degrees and could mention only one, if I had both degrees and I could mention only one, I would choose the J.D. instead of S.J.D.
Personally, I value that JD much more highly than NSJD program designed largely for the international legal scholars. If any senior scholars disagree, I would welcome you on True Voice of Taiwan. Let's sit down and debate it properly. So, let me end where I started. I would love it if a son cake really come with the son, if a wife cake came with a wife, preferably more than one. But whether it's inside the cake, the name of the degree is Juris Doctor. That's what the JD is. Thank you, Stan.
OK, can I rebuttal now? I have three minutes, right? So first of all let's start with laopo bing and with kaya bing just the same as wife cake and the son cake they don't have sons and they don't have wives so jd doesn't mean that you're a doctor unfortunately same thing you're not an academic doctor doctor it's not a research degree same thing the people who can use the word doctor by addressing themselves are doctors like medical.
And secondly, these are the PhDs, SJGs, people who do research and who contribute to science, to the development of science. Then let's talk about these academic credentials and shortcuts. I'm not talking about if JD is better or worse than an SJD degree. These are different degrees and they teach different things. SJDs, PhDs, they contribute to science.
And by calling yourself a doctor if you haven't done a scientific research it's a basically it's misrepresenting what your degree is at. There are if you look at the United States census people with doctorate degrees JD's are not counted as people with doctorate degrees. MD's are not counted as people with doctorate degrees.
If you look at ISCED, JD is level 7 just like a master's degree. Canada considers a JD degree as a bachelor's degree and even the United States used to call it a bachelor of law. Then talking about Taiwan, MD, medical doctor, it's translated as by the Ministry of Education 医学士, 医学士, not 医学博士, it's not being considered a doctorate degree.
And what I'm talking about is not if Yu Pan's JD is better than Yu Sir Orion's SJD, but these are different degrees and they teach different things, and customary people with JDs, they don't call themselves doctors, because they're not doctors, and it has a certain level of misrepresentation here, that's the thing about the degree itself, about the name of the degree itself.
And that even though if you had both an SJD degree and a JD degree you would have preferred a JD, that's up to you, but this is not what this degree stands for, it's not a doctorate degree, it's a professional doctorate, it's not a research doctorate, people don't address themselves as doctors, and people can be fined in some countries for addressing themselves as doctors, if they use the JD degree, that's why it's dishonest.
And whenever I'm talking about Mayor Jiang, I'm talking about dishonesty, it's always it's a gray area, okay there is a Boshi name in the Chinese translation, so should I be able to use it, but people kind of don't use it in America, but what if I just write it down, and what if people just don't notice it, but this is not how it works.
And talking about president's case, I think that there is one thing that I might agree with you, I think that President Tsai, she conducted a real research, her dissertation is available online on LSE's website and even on her Wikipedia page I didn'tI'll send you one. Your area is human rights, so you should read it. My area is human rights, and she has written her PhD in dumping and economic barriers, something like that. But now you have a very good friend, new friend me. I'm under human rights issue. I've seen the statement by the University of London, and I have seen the dissertation. It exists. But there is one thing I agree with you on, and I don't know what you think about such a statement. I think that criminal defamation laws should not be present in democratic countries, for example, all the defamation is being regulated by civil codes in most of the democracies, and in the United States, in Canada, in the United Kingdom, all the defamation related legal matters are a matter of civil law, not criminal law. So I don't think that even if you're liable for defamation that you should be, you should be hold liable under criminal, under the criminal, criminal case, it shouldn't be considered a criminal case. That that's my opinion, and I think that that criminal defamation law is a because the defamation law it was written in 1928, it was like early Republic of China, it was very, it's a very totalitarian piece of regulation. I actually was sued by Taiwan Plus under the criminal defamation law, it ended up with non-prosecuted, non-prosecutorial solution, whatever, but I don't think that this should be a part of the criminal case. Oh really? So Stan, are you okay? Is your passport okay with you? Yeah, it's with me. It's non-prosecuted, prosecutorial. I'm not guilty, and the case didn't even go to court. But what I think is weird is that Taiwan's criminal code has that criminal defamation law. I don't think that that's a very democratic piece of legislation. Still, nevertheless, I think that your accusations against President Tsai, you have your right to do so. You have your freedom of speech, and you should also hold liable under the relevant regulations if they consider what you've done as wrong. But I think that President Tsai in 1980, she has done I know that there is a whole peer review process. I'm also a part of the British education system, I know how it works, and if the university agreed that she has done her research, I trust the university. The university agree? Are you sure? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I would like to even invite you to go with me together to LSE, to London School of Economics, and read her thesis together. I know London pretty well. Let's make a deal, let's make a deal. Okay, that's the range of flight to London, all right? And after our investigation, we both held a conference or, you know, a press conference. Sure, but I know that her thesis isn't used in the university right now, and there many people who go there to read it, so why not? Yeah, sure, let's go. Before this Christmas. Before this Christmas. Oh, maybe, yeah, like early December, yeah, sure, sure. Okay, good. Good. Thank you so much. My today's biggest harvest of today's show. Yeah, let's go. Okay, okay, this is my rebuttal. Let's go to the next topic. Would you like to switch to Chinese right now, or what do we do? Either way, or maybe I can, um, okay, how, how, how many, how, what time is it, and how much time we left? Uh, it's 29 minutes since we started, so we have another 30 minutes if we cut all of that again. So okay, that's, um, okay, maybe we can either, okay, let's, let's switch Chinese, it's okay if you feel comfortable.
谢谢,我讲客家话了。好,那现在应该是你开始还是我开始?我刚讲完了,所以应该应该是换到,就应该下一个声音,我把时间让给你了。没关系,我问问题就好。好吧,可以,可以。那容许我,就是说我把时间给你,但容许我可以稍微在某个地方呢,就稍微interrupt一下,那就是原谅我的不礼貌好吧。OK,那我把时间交给你好了。你讲英文,你讲中文没关系。好,我讲中文。那我们要一样的主题吗?还是都可以。你要谈政治也可以,要谈,对,很好谈选举也可以,谈政治也可以,或者你要问我说为什么,为什么我从青鸟变蓝鸟或变红鸟,我都可以回答你。其实您的立场上的转变,您的节目我其实一直都在看,其实我蓝绿白甚至红,那些中共的节目我也都在看,因为做这种政治分析是一定需要各方面的历程都要接受。好,我就问您这种,您的心路历程是怎么样?因为你原本是支持台湾主权的,你也是要保护台湾,而且我也知道您是基督徒,而且我也知道您是一个心理上是一个libertarian,你是自由意志的人,你是支持小政府,那个支持小政府的人,支持强大的国防,支持持枪权,支持各种的,就是比较偏向我们保守派的这种立场的人,怎么会觉得跟中共可以讲武德?我这个我自己觉得很惊讶了。
好来Stan还有所有的青鸟,我叫你们青鸟没有贬义的意思,比较亲切啦,因为我也是亲鸟,亲鸟很好,因为那个也是跟社群网友封杀,就是那种青岛东路有关系嘛,大家才开始写亲鸟,为了就是不被演算法给抓嘛,所以亲鸟是一个很好的词,没问题,我是一只老亲鸟,我是亲鸟啊。我支持台湾的民主,我支持台湾的自由,我是反对那个立法院扩权啊,我那时候大家抗议嘛,我也去记录啊,我拍了那么多很精彩的影片,大家可以去看,从青鸟最开始到各种各种的抗议活动。对,我想Stan,你follow我的节目你应该知道,我们家两代支持党外,我爸爸出钱出力,我帮民进党所有人站台,包括蔡英文的就职典礼,我没有拿一毛钱,我连飞到美国,飞到日本,我都是自费去参加,加入联合国发爬的年会、台湾同乡会的年会,我跑了半个地球,没有拿侨胞的一毛钱,自己花钱买机票,在东京街头拿着麦克风,日本国台湾的名字,为的是要把台湾的名字带到全世界,证明台湾加入联合国,以台湾的名义加入东京奥运,我的梦没有变,从头到尾都没有变。今天我跟大家谈的是reality,你们仍然留在你们的梦当中,我的梦没有醒,但是我看到了reality。我这五年来来到了美国,我看到了美国的政界怎么对待中国,怎么对待台湾,我跟超过大概三打的参众议员、跟国务院的官员有了超过一个小时以上的聊天,没有一个人promise me they will fight for Taiwan,not even a single person,no,the answer is no,period。
我就开始想,那怎么办呢?我究竟要梦醒呢,还是梦不要醒?我打个岔,哪一年?你哪一年讨论这个议题?就是这让台湾的观众比较了解。我从2022年来到美国就回不去了。这段时间,我为了我自己的身份的问题,因为我变成了一个stateless person,你有听过这世界上有第二个人身上没有任何护照?有人说我是美国公民,有人说我有什么。对不起,我的护照被旧金山办事处粗暴地没收,我的护照有效期还在哦,我不是过期哦。但您不是stateless,您不是stateless,您可以跟大使馆申请就是往返台湾的那个证件,这不叫stateless,您还是有您的国籍,台湾的国籍没有被没收。State, are you kidding? 有哪一个航空公司会允许你没有passport,就拿一个什么大使馆的签证,travel document就可以了。Travel document就可以了,不一定要passport。在美国有很多人都是,这真的是stateless people,也可以申请一个travel document,但是你可以,这个是一个临时护照,用美国叫做emergency passport,然后台湾也会提供一个相关的文件,你的国籍没有被没收,这个我知道。Give me a break, Stan. Are you kidding me? I'm serious. I'm sorry, you can go to the embassy and apply for a document to return to Taiwan. Are you still a human right advocator?
I'm a human right scholar. Yeah, but there is a legal process for that. 有法律程序啊,那可以申请. Stan,如果我回台湾是被允许的,你把我有效的护照还给我就好了,你干嘛要我去拿一个什么额外加仙?第二个,你知道美国之所以可以拿所谓的进出,它是可以回美国,但不guarantee你可以到别的国家. Advanced Parole,这个东西叫Advanced Parole. No, no, definitely not. 因为我已经跑断腿了,我跑了快三年,我跑了国务院,我跑了人权团体,我跑了各个单位,去说我没有护照我该怎么办. 所以Stan,这个问题只有到有一天,当你的护照被粗暴的没收的时候,你才会知道,什么叫做human right issue. 他的程序是,你可以先到大使馆就是TACO,就是台湾的办事处,申请就是这个,往返台湾的那个证件,然后在台湾,我护照Stan,不是在台湾的时候,你就可以申请护照啊,到了台湾之后,我的护照是有效的. Give me thousands of breaks,我不是伪造的,我也不是捏造的,我是有效期间的护照. 我请问你Stan,你把你的新台币1000块钱给我,然后我写一个彭文正欠Stan1000块,然后说这个你拿去7-11买Coke,你会同意吗?
这不不一样的议题吗?如果您护照被注销,尤其有各种的原因嘛,可能就是跟法律相关的那个,因为台湾是民主国家嘛,台湾也是在在各种的组织里面排名都是很前面的,是一个法治社会. 台湾是民主国家是啊,我问你Stan,台湾是民主国家,那那个集体大罢免,把记者动不动就冠上这个共谍罪,然后抓到这个牢里面,把那个柯文哲那个证据都没有就判17年,怎么会没有证据啊?好,我再请问你,那是你的证据吗?Stan我再问你,中华人民共和国,那个你最瞧不起的,人家的法庭都直播了,台湾的法庭允许直播吗?允许吗?根据台湾的法庭,印象中是台湾法庭没有直播的. 没有,就从来都没有允许吗?中共是可以捏造啊,它是一个小的,他们法律上面作秀的东西,是不能跟台湾的民主程序去比的. 有时候民主程序,反而比较传统的做法比较好,比如说台湾的计票的程序,但是每个美国人都是很羡慕的,因为也不能邮寄选票,你一定是要大声的唱票,现在美国的保守派都非常的佩服台湾的选举的制度. 那是因为他们没有认识我,Stan我请问你,蔡英文把赖清德在党内初选做票做掉的时候,那个叫做选举吗?你有证据他是做掉的吗?那就是因为你没有看政经关不了,他在当总统的时候,他把这个一个那个所谓的sampling frame,很简单嘛,我就把你Stan的那个粉丝团的那个名单,然后交去给这个,说来来我们党内初选就用这个名单来抽. 我们好像有点离题了,刚刚是讲护照不是吗?不不不不不我们现在讲民主. 好回到护照台湾是民主国家,我回到护照,请问你啊Stan,你在美国有听到,或者你在中华民国历史上,你有听到有一个人,他连法庭都还没有开,根本没有定罪,就把他的护照给没收了,你有听说过吗?还有Stan,你有听说过有一个人,他被总统告毁谤,结果这总统把他相关的证据全部封存到138年12月31号?你懂法律,你应该知道任何一个辩护人双方,有人可以把自己的证据封存,还可以上法庭还可以赢的吗?我再问你Stan,今天我的案子是一个刑事诽谤罪,刑事诽谤罪当事人可以不必出庭,这是法律的规定,我为什么一定要出庭?我要了两个律师到现场代表我,我还要求我视讯出庭,结果法官没有给我任何理由,就直接发布了通缉说我没有到庭. 还有Stan我请问你,你可以知道台湾有任何一个法庭,是没有让双方同一日期,就直接告诉你说,某年某月的某一天,来Stan你要出庭,你有听说过吗?我告诉你第二个case,我现在马上,马上立刻,就在家里面把双手反绑,等着任何人来抓我. 还有我再告诉大家一件事情,我现在在讲东西Stan你可能没听懂,就是说当时,要我开庭,回去开庭的那个时间,是没有经过我的律师同意的,也没有商量过的,你有听过任何一个法庭,不管民事刑事,双方是不需要经过协调时间,就直接规定哪一个时间,而且那个时候,一般来说,有些法庭会直接定时间的,这不违法. 而且您有把您的代表相关的资料,有提供给台湾的法庭吗?因为他们可能也不知道代表您的律师是谁,这也是. 你离开这个议题太远了,你如果真的是一个爱台湾的人权的关心者,我强烈的建议你去把这个案子搞清楚,我送你一本恶观的书.
我要告诉Stan的事我在美国,我们去英国的时候,你当场可以给我,没有问题. 而且Stan我要告诉你的事,我把这个书放在了美国国会图书馆. 但是彭教授等一下,你不是说你现在没有护照没有护照那你怎么到英国? 我现在有了,我现在有了,因为因为美国人因为美国人知道我是冤枉的,所以他给了我一个方式,所以这个到时候我们见了面我告诉你,他就给你一个travel document跟那个defense parole,你可以回到,你知道我受邀到了美国总统川普的就职典礼吗?你知道川普亲自写信给我吗?这这这个我听说,但川普写信给很多人啊,我那个呃在在拿政治庇护的朋友也都有收到那个来自川普的信没有什么了不起. 那你拿一个川普的亲笔信给我看看,我可以拿我的朋友的,他是从香港逃到美国的,然后他一直是做相关的那种研究,他有写给白宫的川普有写给他,我的另外一个好朋友贡小夏他有领白宫的,都写信给他. 如果我觉得我是毁谤蔡英文的胡说八道的人,你觉得美国人会管我吗?应该把我抓起来了,对吧?所以亲友们,基本上是不会了,因为海外的海外的案件,不一定是会影响到你在美国的那个,尤其是如果他是诽谤,在美国法律也没有刑事诽谤这个东西,他都是民事的嘛. 所以啊,那你看你可以,你不是拿到了文件了吗?有没有人限制你的那个自由吗? 不不不,你不能这样讲啊,你这讲法就好像说,Stan你被人家捅了一刀,然后你送急诊,然后医生把你救活了你说没事啊,我反正活着嘛不要追究了,对啊好. Stan我要再跟你讲一件事,这个不太一样吗?这本来就一样啊不是. 但是你看,我本来没有要聊那个蔡总统的论文的部分你现在猜的是人权Stan我告诉你,论文是在那边嘛你可以看嘛Stan. 什么论文在那边你在说什么Stan? 你上我去看看,那个叫做论文吗?而且你如果觉得这个论文不好,这是三十几年前写的东西,那你也可以写更好的,学术本来就是一个在反驳另外一个在反驳另外的. Stan,你totally失去了我对你原本的尊敬,因为你对这个问题毫无研究之下你在胡说八道,而且你的胡说八道我看过新闻稿,我也看过来自伦敦大学的那个澄清的文件,所以从今以后Stan,你在说这些有的没的,我不会再相信你,我也不会再叫你基督徒的弟兄,因为你对这件事情毫无了解,而且你没有同理心.
Stan,你知道我96岁的妈妈前年过世在床边呼喊着我的名字,我回不去你知道吗?Again,我回不去. 很遗憾,这个很遗憾,我也希望您可以跟家人团聚,但是您说是台湾政府不让你回去. 我妈妈是死人,不是家人. 请节哀. 这个就不应该发生,就应该要陪自己的. 台湾是民主国家吗Stan?是吗?台湾是民主国家,台湾是民主国家,台湾is a democracy,这个也是毫无疑问的,彭教授这个也是毫无疑问的,然后您也可以回到台湾,目前台湾政府各个单位也都说您可以回到台湾. 回到台湾还我护照啊. 回到台湾,他可以给你travel document吗不是吗?travel document is not a passport, travel document, it's a travel document没有问题的,我知道很多美国人在国外把护照丢掉了,他就是申请那个emergency document把那个emergency passport就可以回去. 你是在鼓励我说谎吗?不是,因为你的护照如果是被没收了,如果是有原因,你没有办法拿您的正规的护照的话,因为有些条件下那些东西是可以有受到一些法律上的限制,那你可以拿. 外交部如果希望我回台湾,那不是应该把护照还给我叫我回去吗?怎么会把我的护照给...可能怕他发了护照给你,你就不回台湾,你去别的地方. 我去哪里呢?台湾免签国家那么多吗?我去波兰找你吗?欢迎,欢迎啊,欢迎,我到机场接,可以,没问题. 不要了,我跟你在英国见就好了啦. 也可以啊,都很好,我没跟你开玩笑,我们今天到英国去好好的调查,开个记者会,我们把这件事情说明吧. OK,我们去LSE,我们去那个LSE的问题,我去过LSE,我把当时做的所有的录像,我访问到的人,通通告诉我说No,没有蔡英文的dissertation,你今天看到的是他在2019年把他的笔记凑一凑送上去的你看了就知道,你看了前面三页,如果你还相信那个是Dissertation,Stan我服了你,这叫做I服了You. 但是你的意思是说,LSE是一个这么...因为我知道你很欣赏名校,你上次形容UPEN,你到那边就觉得,我各个爱因斯坦都欢迎过来读书,您是很喜欢名校的,您是很尊敬那些名校,LSE做各种研究,也是非常出类拔萃的一个学校,他们针对像是我的博士论文发表的时候,也是有邀请来自因为我是在Sussex念的,我是有我的审查的教授他是SOAS,他是SOAS的,也是伦敦大学的亚非学院的,因为那个领域是有点接近的,那LSE也一定是有找来自外面的学者去做一个审查审核,然后提出意见因为他一定...对,你讲到重点了,口试之后一定是有什么correction,蔡英文没有指导教授,蔡英文她说她的口试日期是礼拜天,你相信吗?不一定啊,这个看教授是怎么定的,还有她口试日期那天,他人还在飞机上还没到英国,他的入出境资料显示,他根本就没有到英国,你到底研究了没有啊?我不知道他的口试那个时候是怎么样的,但是我觉得LSE不会随便发放博士学位给没有做研究的人,可能没有发表论文,你知道格达费的儿子怎么拿到学位的吗?你知道英国的这些高层有多腐败吗?
还有Stan,那你再质疑整个英国的教育体制了吗? 这个我是不能接受的。英国是非常严谨的。To some extent, I did. I do. 某种程度,我这么认为,因为他们都跟你一样,相愿,不愿意面对真相。我告诉Stan,我出了一本书叫做Evils。我把蔡英文的脸跟英国伦敦政经学院那时候的校长叫做Minard Shafik,两个人的脸放在这个英文的书上,那个英文名字叫Evils,这本书你可以到美国国会图书馆,你可以到英国的British Library,他们通通收藏了,而且还给我一封感谢信。你会以为他们在收藏一本... 你的出版自由啊。 不,你说那个是谣言,而且那上面这么敏感的题目你觉得他们会收吗?不信你写一本,看看英国的这个大英图书馆收不收。 第二个,在言论自由跟出版自由,您且大致上,除非什么鼓吹恐怖主义,其实其他的都可以出。那我是非常尊重跟尊敬您的言论自由,跟您做对蔡总统的博士学位相关的调查。 我说的是事实,我要背诵的是 fact,我讲的是事实。 LSE的态度跟立场是不一样吗? No, no, Stan,你的论点也是有被反驳的吗? Stan,你知道2020年、2023年以后他们说了什么吗?我全部写在我的书上,所以你现在的问题出在于你根本没有进入任何有关于蔡英文、假博士这个议题的研究,所以这也是我的错,因为我没有早一点把我的书寄给你,但是I promise我会立刻寄给你,你可能也不知道我是谁了,所以我们频道也很久了,我们频道已经经营发展我立刻提本书给你,如果你看完这本书能够提出强有力的证据证明我错了,我跟你公然道歉,我跟全世界的人,我跟蔡英文公然道歉我是非,我喜欢沟通嘛,你提出你的论点很好啊,我看啊,然后我可以做我的回应不. Stan,我现在跟你讲的事情,不是opinion, because opinion just like asshole, everybody got one. That's what the Polish guy said actually, Józef Piłsudski. I know. 所以,但非常,very realistic,这是我们的开国元帅说的,波兰独立英雄. I hear the point. I love it. 可是你看,Polish后来又变成了共产国家,对不对?所以,跟你的开国元帅讲的不一样吗? 被占领啊,被强迫吗?我们有没有选择成为共产主义国家吗?是被占领的吗?对嘛,然后我们被民主党出卖了,我们被小罗斯福,我觉得很多人很喜欢小罗斯福,我真的是对小罗斯福恨之入骨,他是卖我的国家,也是延长了雅尔塔历史. 我现在在跟你讲的就是,美国正在出卖台湾,我的体会跟你一模一样,那些罗斯福现在就在美国的政台上,虽然我是支持川普的,我非常支持川普,我也支持川普我支持共和党,对我也是支持共和党,因为我喜欢它的这个traditional christian value,这是我不能妥协的,但是他们做了很多human rights issue,却是严重违反了human rights,所以这个我是非常不能接受的,你要看像是那个维吾尔人权法案,也是共和党通过的,很多东西共和党是在人权议题方面也是做很突破的那个动作,像是针对古巴针对委内瑞拉,这些都是必要的措施,我现在在跟你讲的是micro level你跟我讲的是 macro,那我也没有意见,我现在在这个地方,不好意思我今天脱稿,因为我也有点激动,那我对我的这个激动的表达了我的抱歉,不过我要跟你讲,这是我主持七年半来唯一的一次在节目中生气了,其他时候不管人家讲我什么骂我什么祖宗八代我都笑笑的为什么?我捍卫的不是彭文正的清白,我捍卫的是真理跟价值,你可以想想看,如果博士学位可以这样乱搞,台湾的孩子还需要念书吗?我还抗中保台个屁啊,所以我要跟Stan讲的就是说今天我们要共同追求的是一个价值,不是在彭文正背后有没有道理,彭文正去死死死个也没关系.
不能这样说了,你也不是死不死的问题,你是那个诽谤有没有成立,因为你还没有被判决,我连庭都还没有开始,我的一句话都还没有讲出来,也有可能啊好. 但是我想我应该把这话题稍微停留在这里冻结在这里,不然我们讲到明天早上也讲不完呢,好我们看个话题,这个就每个保留自己的立场就好了,我答应你我会把书寄给你,我拜托您,英文的部分您看一看,因为所有的证据都在上面,包括了LSE,包括了英国的Information Commissioner Office,包括了英国的Tribunal Court,他们都做过了Decision,所以绝对不是如你想象的说伦敦政经学院都承认. No,伦敦政经学院的一封信在内部写说,The English Certificate is Clearly a Fake,这封信我把它放在了我们的恶观书的封面上,所以我相信正直善良如Stan的你,一个虔诚的基督徒,我亲爱的弟兄,我相信你看完这封信之后,看完这整本书之后,你会改变你的立场,那个时候我们会有更多的共识好,让我们把这议题把它换到,也许你有兴趣谈的是我们换话题对,你比较有兴趣的可能是台湾的民主,中国民不民主,彭文正你为什么说,台没关系对,然后你的立场转变这个,我们今天要聊彭文正跟蒋万安,台北市长. 蒋万安没有什么好讲的我要好了,我再跟你讲一遍了,如果讲完今天真的是JSD或SJD那他不,他是JD,但他真的说他自己是SJD或JSD我觉得就有嘛,就立法院第十届的官网上好,那他太humble了,我只能这样讲了,因为他JD比较,JD比较含金量高的多了,我跟你说真的了,我在这边会得罪很多念SJD的人了,我跟你讲SJD哦哈那都是给外国那种讲不太清楚的外国人学的了,就这么简单了,不服气来挑战了上节目了,那黄国昌也是,很多人都念这个SGD我跟你说,JD这个degree是美国的大学生大概三分之一的人都会想要念的学位了,而且这种名校U-Pen当然你随随便便的,你的GPM没有3.9,我跟你说,工程,电子工程的学士,含金量比GD还高啊,因为现在矽谷的那些公司都赚得更多嘛,然后电工、木工,这些这些研究含金量很高,可以赚很多钱,我现在讲的是Social Science, okay,Social Science major students, most of them focused on JD program, because if you've got a degree of criminology, you know, how can you find a job?
Puma拿到了10 year track嘛,他那个研究做完之后就有直接学校给他一个终身邀约,那就是假的,那就是表示Stan你完全不了过美国的学志,美国的tenure至少是要你assistent professor for at least 10 years,你还是可以拿到tenure,你不可能拿tenure同教授track track,每一个人每一个人,你拿到tenure track你做完十一年你才变成tenure吗,我很精准的说是tenure track,我懂你的意思,就是有一些position是有tenure track的,有些position是没有 tenure track,对,有些是一般讲师嘛,然后有一些assistant professor,然后是未来做 tenure 的,一般来讲,你有 PhD,你有 PhD,You are qualified to be a tenure professor,所以他一定会offer你一个 tenure track,基本上是没有问题的,Unless 你拿的是JD,你拿的是LM,You are not qualified for a tenure professor,So you may not have a tenure track offer,我想差别是在这里嘛,这我同意,就讲诗而已嘛,lecturer,你如果是JD,你要教书你就是lecturer,所以他不是 tenure track,对,当然这个我同意。
好,接下来我要讲的是蒋万安的事情其实很简单啊,我个人觉得我的看法就是Juris Doctor,你要把他自己叫成博士,稍微有一点碰轰,但是这个字就是博士嘛,不然我问你,Stan,那为什么不叫Juris Master?为什么Medical Doctor在台湾翻译成医学士呢?不不不,那是因为,这我就要告诉你,那是因为台湾的医学制不一样,台湾的医学系是大学部七年,美国的medical doctor是after college四年,对,大学后,这一帝也是这样,所以因为学资不同,对,所以如果你是台大医学系毕业,你要说你是台大医学博士,你会被乱棒打死,但是你今天是U-Pen的这一帝,你说你是doctor,别人说,哦,OK,OK,if you think you are a doctor,哦,OK,because Juris Doctor is a doctor,No, you'll be laughed at in the United States。
还不能修改的一个官网上,那你就是在误导选民吗?那我这样讲,当蔡英文被定罪的时候,你愿意跟我一起去丢鸡蛋吗?因为蔡英文把她的假学历登在两届的选举公报上,如果你确定这件事情是,如果定罪,OK,如果定罪,如果有判决当然,现在也没有,对,我知道不急嘛,不急嘛,对不对,我已经准备在这边待18年跟他祸嘛好吧,这是你的权利啊,这是你的自由,我也支持你的权利给你的自由,还有你知不知道,这个联合国宪章返乡权是权利,所以我回台湾是我的权利啊,没有人可以剥夺,你却把我抓起来,而且台湾也不是联合国成员啊,Once again,那你又来了对不对,那台湾不是人的成员,我们可以不遵守人权啊,无所谓啊,人权也不一定是联合国规范去定的呀,有各种的国与国之间的我有返乡的权利,我回到桃园机场你可以把我抓起来,那是你的行政权利,这些是两个不同的问题,但你不能够把我的故障握手,你可以返乡啊,你可以返乡啊,我持有的账户账,中国台北,为什么我需要返乡的权账什么返乡,对不对,我先问你嘛,你去想想看,如果他被吊销就unvalid了,就unvalid anymore,No, no,你完全没有去看台湾的法律,第一个,诽谤罪,第二个,那个庭是不需要开庭的,我不用出庭的,而且我还告诉这个法官说你可不可以改个时间,因为那个时候是pandemic,我说你延后时间,我们不是要换话题吗?我们又您讲你的,我讲我的,我们换个话题,因为这个已经讲了嘛,然后您也持续的讲一样的内容,我们换个话题,我觉得您是个很有料的人,我们可以讨论台美关系,我们可以讨论台北市场选举太好了太好了,台波关系也可以,台湾跟波兰的关系,台波关系也可以,最近很好,在我们佛罗兹瓦夫要开一个台湾的工业园区,很多很多台湾人来投资的,对,那是因为Stand的关系了,对,谢谢你,没有这跟我没有什么关系,不过我见过波兰总统,也见过前总理,都很挺台,第一个就是在国际的那种台面上,在Atlantic Council他是做总理的时候,就第二大人物,基本上波兰总理跟总统是平行的,是保守派,我们那个法律与公正党的Mateusz Morawiecki, Molawiecki,他是在华盛顿DC,在Atlantic Council有讲,台湾是一个主权独立国家,很好啊,非常好,非常挺台的一个人,然后说不希望台湾,然后你去请那个波兰总理,就是对国际发声,说如果有一天中共打台湾,波兰一定出兵,那个时候我会飞,我亲自飞波兰一趟好不好,我亲自去跟他,ありがとうございます,乌克兰被攻击,波兰也没有出兵,其实保卫国家的战争是那个国家的人民的义务,但波兰可以帮忙,来了吗?美国也可以帮忙,所以这是Lip Service吗?提供情报。
我,彭教授,我跟你讲,这个是波兰跟美国的国防部合作的,跟往来的很密切的,有个共识,说战争爆发,比如说俄罗斯要打我们,我们会怎么做?第一个,我们要强大自己的陆军,因为陆军步兵这些东西都是自己要做的,这是最关键的,那美国呢?美国说回协防,怎么样?空军,情报,武器,这三个,所以现在波兰也拿到最先进的F-35等等,但是波兰也现在很清楚的说,那种战场上的最辛苦的那份工作是我们自己要做,所以我们在建立30万大军,我们的GDP,那个国防预算已经是到了GDP的5%,这个比原本的Albridge Calbee,就是现在他是做国防次长,比他原本要求还要高,他也说波兰是在整个欧洲里面是个Noble Exception,高贵的意外,我们是高贵的意外,我们是高贵的意外,因为我们就是非常重视自己的国防,其实台湾也一样啊,战争发生的话,台湾是需要保护自己,但是盟友会协防,这些盟友包括日本,包括美国,包括菲律宾,包括韩国,包括波兰在内,在提供军备,制裁中共,然后让台湾有能力保护自己的这个保卫战方面,我们一定是会出我们能出的努力,我是最怕是目前,因为我这个也是刚刚跟你的助理有讲这个东西,你的助理很有想法,很棒,你很会培养人才,跟你走的人都是很有想法的,我觉得这是一个很棒的事情,我觉得是非常的佩服你作为媒体人的专业,就是说我个人最怕的是以台论,美国人如果是不信任台湾,这个有点像当年拜登政府就把乌克兰就是看虽小嘛,就是觉得乌克兰不会打仗嘛,不会保护自己嘛,然后觉得资伦斯基要撤嘛,我们就是要准备就是这个国家被瓜分嘛,会被消灭,殊不知乌克兰就属住了,但是如果美国在2022年就提供足够的军备保护乌克兰,跟那时候不像什么德国提供头盔那样,其实可能这个战争也不会持续的那么久,乌克兰有反攻成功的几率,有几次了,普里格金派变跟俄罗斯军队开始大撤队的时候,就是2022年夏天的那个时候,但是那时候拜登政府还停,我希望美国看台湾是跟看波兰一样,关键的愿意保护自己的盟友,因为当然美国人会跟你说,因为美国怕向越战这个问题再次爆发,会觉得这个战争不是我们的战争,然后他们好像也不需要我们,但是呢,我要美国人也知道,台湾人会保护自己,台湾人是站在同一个价值观同一个阵营里面,因此呢,美国要相信台湾,美国要信任台湾,所以这时候,这里我们可能意见分析是很不一样的,你越把自己就是变成豪猪嘛,就是那个豪猪外交,就是Porcupine Diplomacy,你是自由意志嘛,自由意志的logo是什么,民主党是驴吗,共和党是像吗,那libertarian是什么吗,是豪猪吗porcupine,为什么是porcupine,因为刺刺的啊,don't tread on me,就是跟那个Gaston flag一样,就是那个rattlesnake一样,就是不要让你,你知道豪猪跟乳猪的差别在哪里吗,乳猪烤出来叫做烤乳猪,豪猪烤出来叫烤豪猪,差别就是这样子一样被吃掉,你先抓豪猪看看,这抓不到嘛,满脸都会是刺嘛,你知道现在抓豪猪的都是无人机啊,所以只有无人机有刺,人不会有刺啦,我给你开玩笑,台湾也要建立无人机的那个产业,这当然是无人机,无人舰艇,是是是,以战略来说是。
如果你有机会来旧金山,我去接你飞机,然后我带你去,然后我陪你去飞一趟华盛顿,见一些我的好朋友,你问问看他们,你听完以后,我每年去三四次华府,我也是跟很多智库啊,国会议员啊,常常进行采访啊,那下次没问题,下次没问题你去华府,我直接飞过去跟你碰面,我们两个可以加起来,可以一起把我们的外交上面的一些朋友加起来为台湾做事,这我很乐意,毕竟我是土生土长的台湾人,我今天之所以,我今天会跟你讲说,该谈和平统一,该坐下来谈的,是因为我完全意识到台湾的危机,我何尝不希望台湾可以做一个强而有力的东方瑞士,但是我要告诉Stan,The reality is very, very,应该说什么身体很嘴巴很,It's not as bleak as you think,I think bleak is the word that you were reaching out for, right? It's not bleak,It's pretty optimistic actually,Not really,I think I'm just realistic,Realistic,而且我必须跟Stan讲的是,我访问郑丽文的那一集你有看吗,有,我觉得你,我看得很伤心,因为这不是我认识的彭文正,好没关系,我看得非常难过,不要难过,很多绿营的人都这样子认为,但是他们听完我,我讲完我的心路历程,他们都说好吧,我祝福你,我了解你的逻辑,而且我也了解你手上的这些证据,我在来美国之前,我不是这样的一个人,而且我不是因为被蔡英文追杀,被民事辞掉了工作,所以我变成蓝的或者红的不是哦,绝对不是哦,大家可以去看看我过去我为台湾在外交上打过的仗,跑过的腿,我保证比你们现在在留言区骂我的人加起来还要多,你们可以去问问那些骂我的侨胞,我有没有领过他们一毛钱,我没有为任何五斗米折腰过,没有为任何政党服务过,我也没有为国民党服务过,所以我今天要跟Stan讲的是说,我看到了一些东西也许你没看到,那我个人认为,台湾如果失去了谈判的时机,我们恐怕就要面对面打起来,问题是你觉得台湾人准备好要打仗了吗,我不觉得,台湾经得起打吗,我不觉得,第一个台湾小,第二个台湾离中国大陆近,第三个中国大陆崛起,不然的话美国不会这么害怕中国大陆的崛起,不管是经济上军事上,各方面都崛起。
还有Stan你知道吗,我在这里接触到非常非常多中国大陆各个阶层的朋友,我不敢说大家都说现在的共产党变好了,因为也很多人骂共产党,但是我觉得没有一个人会反对共产党在1949年到2026年的过程当中,经历了三面红旗,大跃进,人民公社,把国家搞得乱七八糟,人权历史世界最差,对,是的蒋介石也杀了几十万人啊,你可能不记得了哈,你去看那个,我知道了,我觉得国民党跟共产党差不多东西啊,对,现在民进党呢,把它加起来啊,好,我回头再看,民进党没杀过人了啦,No, Stan,那是因为现在不允许,你不能拿那个巴黎的那个LV去比那个清朝大妈的裹脚布,那是不同的时间,OK?那时候没有民进党啊,当然是没有民进党啊,那就不能比嘛,事实就是嘛,民进党没有迫害过任何的族群,不那你要比什么,你要比国民党执政,马英九执政时代的司法跟民进党蔡英文跟赖清德执政的司法,我就跟你Stan讲,你看我的节目一定是看马英九执政的时候,我是怎么样在垫马英九的,我从马英九的性向,马英九的学历到马英九的全家人都被我垫过啊,赖清德人都被骂一大堆人上街抗议吗,在凯达格兰大道吗,骂什么下台,然后骂他各种难听的东西,不不不你骂下台,那是你家的事情,我是在媒体上骂,他的妈妈家都被骚扰成那个样子吗,就是在那个外面,你妈妈过世不能回台湾更糟糕吗,好我问Stan我希望你,马英九执政他当总统的时候,我做节目是怎么骂他的,国民党有骂过我,有没收我护照,有恐吓过我吗,一个都没有,我告诉你这是真的,洪孟楷,毛嘉庆,这些徐巧芯,这些发言人都是私底下来文正哥,哎呀不要这样子啦,这个其实不是这样的啦,他们都是这样子在跟媒体沟通的,你知道我的政经看民视,是一个一天就被关掉的吗,作为一个人权的倡议者,我在政经看民视,90%是在说民进党好,只说了民进党的一小部分,因为兆丰案,我认为兆丰案66亿台币赔了应该给国人一个交代,不能把它封存起来,因为这样,我的节目在一天之内被关掉,请问有任何一个政论节目一天被关掉,在国民党的党史上吗,所以我今天要跟Stan讲的是,橘子要比橘子,国民党的党史上,你也没有批评国民党的自由,因为四大电台的时候都要审核都要审查,是言论极度不自由,我在台视当主播的时候,我非常知道国民党怎么控制,但是你要比我就刚跟你讲,你不能拿清朝大妈的裹脚布去比巴黎的LV,但是这个党是一样的,这个党没有改变,不是那不一样,人完全不一样,我们都跟彭教授说,我们波兰废除了那个共产党,破坏人权的那个共产党,他也没有废除国民党吗,国民党依然在,也没有道歉,你凭什么废除白色恐怖,你凭什么废除国民党二二八大屠杀白色恐怖,你知道美国有共产党吗,你知道美国纽约有共产党总部吗,对不对,你只要不推暴力,其实美国有相关的反共的法律,应该要废除,你是不是在美国,你去发动那个歌颂纳粹的游行是受保护的你知道吗,这才是民主啊,这个也应该要被谴责的吗,这个也不应该有的那个自由,因为你不应该有那个消灭自由的自由,那Stan我就要说,因为共产主义跟纳粹主义都是恐怖主义手法,你却说你有这个自由,不一样的意思吗,对不对,Stan我跟你讲,我们两个应该一起共同来主持节目了,然后我们两个的节目都很多人看了,然后我们可以主持到2049年12月31号了。
很好很好,非常棒,我觉得今天跟你聊这些议题都收获非常的多,也欢迎以后也都跟我们来交流,我觉得这样很好,碰撞就是那种意见上的碰撞,我觉得非常的棒,然后我也非常喜欢您的节目,也是非常佩服您作为媒体人跟追求真相的这种精神,也很感谢彭教授这次来我们新闻,谢谢Stan,我谢谢你长期对台湾的付出,我很感动,我们一起来为台湾打拼,我常常在美国,我们一起来为台湾打拼,让更多的人愿意支持台湾,我愿意,我非常愿意,但是我希望台湾更好,而且我希望台湾对齐的是价值value,不要失去了value,只想到政权,但是这个value不可能在共产专制之下保存的,我们可以改变,Stan,be confident,be strong,我为什么做节目,现在有些中国大陆的一些视频会愿意播,我在传递我的理念跟价值,我希望有一天他们可以看到政经关不了,那就是两岸越来越有共同的价值,而且我要告诉Stan,是在美国的中国大陆人士几乎都在看政经关不了,因为我很清楚,他们很多人当面告诉我,他们认同我的价值,不是我和平统一的价值,而是我几十年来不变的,为一个高于政党的所谓的人类共同追求的价值而努力,我相信Stan做的事情也是一样,只是我们两个在有一些小小的地方上,我们需要彼此微调一下,但是我更乐于跟你在英国伦敦政经学院共同去发掘蔡英文论文的真相,我非常期待这一天,我也很期待跟您在旧金山访问一些国会议员,拜访一些志工,没有问题,相关的重要,没有问题,我们一起来为台湾努力,谢谢你,好,谢谢,谢谢彭教授,好,那我也非常的鼓励大家去订阅政经关不了,然后政经关不了的好朋友,因为我知道明天这个节目会在彭教授,也来订阅这个Stan的这个节目,叫我们新闻硬邦邦是不是,新闻硬邦邦,对,也欢迎所有的Stan的supporter还有绿营的supporter尽量的骂我,不要骂三字经那个没有用,也不要做人身攻击那没有用,你尽量的骂我跟我辩论,而且你们如果愿意上我的节目跟我辩论的我非常欢迎,很棒,非常棒,好感谢,感谢教授,谢谢Stan,谢谢,God bless you