在芬蘭街頭問「臺灣為什麼重要？」年輕人的回答讓我意外！

主播在芬蘭赫爾辛基街頭隨機採訪當地年輕人，探討臺灣在國際政治、半導體供應鏈以及作為獨立國家的價值，並分享了芬蘭與臺灣在政經及應對中國宣傳等方面的互動與觀察。

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你覺得你覺得臺灣重要嗎？當然重要。你為什麼這麼覺得？它是一個國家，那裡有人們。它是一個國家，那裡有人們。Do you think do you think Taiwan is important? Of course it's important. Why do you think so? It's it's it's a country. There is people. It's it's it's a country. There is people.

所以我聽到你說「臺灣」。對。你對臺灣還有其他了解嗎？除了國旗以外？很快就講完了。你怎麼會知道那面國旗？那不是一面很有名的旗。我知道每個國家的每一面國旗。哇。他很小的時候就像這樣研究它們。每個芬蘭人都這麼聰明嗎？不，至少我不是。不，不是，不是那樣。好。你還知道臺灣的其他事情嗎？你知道這些真的很厲害。嗯，我知道政治情勢。還有，我我知道臺灣的地理。政治情勢，嗯，什麼什麼什麼樣的政治情勢？關於聯合國會籍的政治情勢，以及關於中國。噢。諸如此類的一切。我我讀過，軍事以及像是亞洲的安全。所以那那那是很大的一部分，臺海兩岸關係是其中很大的一部分。

你覺得你覺得臺灣重要嗎？當然重要。你為什麼這麼覺得？它是一個國家，那裡有人們。這就是它重要的原因。我知道，但你知道在美國，當我問同樣的問題時，人們會說喔是供應鏈。對，當然。它也很重要，因為晶片。說得好，對。這是，這當然很重要，因為晶片。你對這些作為產品更瞭解，關於晶片，電腦晶片。但沒錯，因為它們是，我認為最大的電腦晶片製造商。這是有意義的，而且臺積電，對。因為他們是西方的盟友。這當然有其意義，在像是國際政治方面。但，沒錯，它對西方是個重要的國家，在面對中國和與中國競爭方面。而且它是個重要的國家，因為它是一個國家，而且那裡有人們。而且它的文化很有意思。我還沒去過那裡，但是喔，你應該去拜訪。會、會的。你應該去。我們總有一天會去拜訪。

而芬蘭之間的關係，芬蘭與臺灣的關係非常好，而且它們正在發展，因為芬蘭剛加入北約。而且有很多，臺灣有很多東西正在向芬蘭研究與學習。芬蘭這邊也是一樣，芬蘭正在向臺灣學習如何針對，例如來自中國的宣傳，像是AI輔助的宣傳，這類的東西。我認識臺灣駐芬蘭大使林昶佐。對。而且他是個重金屬明星。他是個非常非常好的人。而他就，有臺灣的政治人物造訪芬蘭，而且有一個非常龐大的芬蘭代表團前往臺灣。所以我很高興看到這些國家之間的關係。聽到這真好。

你來自美國？呃不，我來自波蘭。喔，你來自波蘭？好的。波蘭，對，但我很常去美國，我之後會在那裡工作，今年下半年。好的，那很酷。我以前住在臺灣，我太太是臺灣人，所以。喔，有意思。你是記者嗎？我是獨立記者。我是人權研究者。我在英國取得博士學位，所以。你有在 YouTube 上做影片之類的嗎？有，我有，我有，我有。我的頻道已經有 30 萬訂閱者了。超過30萬，對。對，但我都是用華語做的。中文，給臺灣人看的。基本上是在講歐洲政治，美國政治。對。然後一方面，我試著讓更多歐洲人以及美國的人認識臺灣。對。而另一方面，我試著讓臺灣人更瞭解世界的另一邊正在發生什麼事。這聽起來非常有用又有趣。確實是，但很辛苦。那些演演算法很殘酷。而如果你批評中國，我的天啊。

對。什麼樣的回應，你在這裡聽過關於臺灣的？啊，非常正面。對。我我甚至，所以我希望如此。而我那裡，有一對，那男生來自喬治亞，那女生來自俄羅斯。他們都非常支援。所以不是，不是任何該死的帝國都應該，應該試圖去入侵其他人。所以談到人民和政府，人民要比，我並不怎麼，比他們的政府好得多。是啊，那是真的。非常。很棒，很棒的一天。你是第十位，所以你是我的，我的最後一位嘉賓。對。我我禮物送完了，但我有個不錯的。這沒關係，這是這是個政治的東西，上面寫著如果國民黨不倒，臺灣永遠不會好。抱歉？如果國民黨，中國國民黨，如果他們不倒，臺灣永遠不會變好。這個，呃，他們，對，就像去年，那裡有大規模抗議。對。所以你可以，你可以把它當作歷史紀念品收藏，因為沒有任何一件像那樣的東西。呃，但這是政治性的。這非常。當然，但那非常酷。對，你就把它當頭帶戴著。你，你知道國民黨，我想它會在我的合身，但它它會，它會在我家某處展示著，因為它非常酷。對。但你知道，國民黨是從中國來的政黨，而他們支援、他們支援統一。對，我我研究過，很多歷史和政治，政治科學，所以。對對，所以那裡，我該多研究一些。

你們是來芬蘭這裡的學生，還是已經在工作了？呃，我自己在工作。我現在是當保全。好喔好喔，不錯。然後我還有在做攝影方面的事。索尼還是佳能？我自己是用 Fujifilm。好喔好喔，對啊對啊，那還真是小眾。我一開始用 Canon，我媽的相機，Canon。然後，我退伍之後換成 Fujifilm。好喔，我是 Sony 派的。喔，是喔。我當兵時是用 Canon 的相機。我是媒體人員。我在那裡用過相機，沒錯。所以說，你算是軍事記者嗎？呃，比較像是攝影師，對。好喔，哇。我們就只是負責拍照，然後把照片送出去，給記者，由他們完成後續的工作，像是把它繼續做下去，沒錯。太好了，太好了，太好了，太好了。好的，謝謝你。謝謝你們。非常謝謝你。

而我，我愛芬蘭。是的。我愛芬蘭。它是個很棒的國家。你有來過這裡嗎？歡迎來到芬蘭。謝謝，非常感謝。我希望有一天，你能夠造訪臺灣。那是個美麗的國家，食物非常棒。但有一個建議，就在秋天或冬天去吧。因為夏天實在太折磨人了。會像攝氏40度，非常潮溼。你沒辦法好好觀光，因為熱到像火烤一樣。對，我相信會這樣。冬天、秋天，也許初夏，非常舒適。臺灣在我的清單上排名很前面。我要去，呃，我的，我的夢想是走遍世界每個國家。所以臺灣在我的清單上排名很前面，當我，你去日本時，其實可以順道去，從日本去那裡。對啊。機票還挺便宜的，在呃，在東京和臺北之間。太好了，因為我，我，我想我正在規劃，也許明年春天去一趟工作，去日本出差。好的。也許會有時間去，然後試著走出臺北市。當然。臺北市最不能代表臺灣，還有它的文化。所以我已經理解了。而我其實我它，我沒多久前才看過，一部在臺臺灣拍攝的電視劇。臺灣的還是？不是臺灣的。那是美國製作的。呃，它像是，嗯，它不是電視劇。它是在 YouTube 上。呃，但它像是個旅遊節目。好。呃，他們在那裡，呃，在不同的地方，呃，比賽，呃，環遊全國。所以它是個，個好節目，一個好節目。我希望至少是如此。來介紹臺灣的鄉村與文化。對，還要上山，去看看原住民族群。因為那裡的文化和各大城市完全不同。對。因為他們是呃他們是南島語族，他們在血緣上更接近美洲原住民。對原住民，對因紐特人也一樣。對。比起像中國人、日本人這樣的東亞人。祝你有美好的一天。臺灣人。對對。他們非常有趣。那當然是。謝謝。謝謝你們，謝謝各位。很高興認識你。祝你有美好的一天，祝你有美好的一天。謝謝，謝謝。

So I've heard you say it's Taiwan. Yeah. Do you know anything about Taiwan anything else other than the flag? It's quick. How do you know the flag? It's not a well-known flag. I know every flag of every country. Wow. He studied them like when he was very young. Is every Finnish person that smart? No not me at least. Not not not that way. Okay. Do you know anything else about Taiwan? It's very impressive that you know. Well I know about political situation. And well I know about the geography of Taiwan. Political situation well what what kind of political situation? the political situation regarding UN membership and regarding China. Oh. Everything like that. I I studied. Military and like like safety of Asia. So that that's that's a big part. Taiwan-China relations are a big part of. Do you think do you think Taiwan is important? Of course it's important. Why do you think so? it's a country. There is people. That's that's why it's important. I know but you know in the United States when I'm asking the same question people are saying oh it's supply chain. Yeah of course. It's also important because of the chips. Beautifully said yeah. It's, it's of course important because of the chips. You know more about those as a product about chips computer chips. But yeah about because they are I think the biggest manufacturer of computer chips. That's a meaningful and. TSMC yeah. Because they are an ally of West. That's meaningful of course in in like International politics. but yeah, it's an important country for the West. Regarding China and competing with China. And it's an important country because it's a country and there is people. And it's an in- interesting culture. I haven't been there yet but. Oh you should visit. Will will be. You should. We'll visit someday. And the relationships between Finland and Taiwan are very good and they're developing because Finland just joined NATO. And there is a lot of, there are a lot of things that Taiwan is studying and learning from Finland. And same thing with Finland is learning from Taiwan how to target for example propaganda coming from China like AI facilitated propaganda this kind of stuff. I know the ambassador of Taiwan to Finland Freddy Lim. Yeah. And he is a heavy metal star. He is a great great guy. And he is just. There were Taiwanese politicians visiting Finland and there was a very big Finnish delegation to Taiwan. So it's I'm very happy to see the relationships between countries. That's nice to hear. You are from USA? Uh no I'm from Poland. Oh you're from Poland?

Okay. Poland yeah, but I go to the US pretty often and I will be working there later this year.

Okay yeah, that's cool.

And I used to live in Taiwan. My wife is Taiwanese so...

Oh interesting. Are you a journalist?

I'm an independent journalist. I'm a human rights researcher. I have PhD from England so...

Do you like do videos on YouTube or?

I do I do I do I do. My channel is 300,000 subscribers already. More than 300,000 yeah.

Yeah and, but I'm doing it in Mandarin Chinese for Taiwanese people. Basically talking about European politics, American politics.

Yeah.

And on the one hand, I'm trying to let more people in Europe and in the US know about Taiwan.

Yeah.

And on the other hand, I'm trying to make Taiwanese more acquainted to what's going on in the other side of the world.

That sounds like very useful and interesting.

It is, but it's tough. With those algorithms are brutal. And if you're critical of China, oh my god.

Yeah.

What kind of answers have you heard here about Taiwan?

Ah very positive.

Yeah, even... So I would hope so. And I have there, there was a couple. The guy was from Georgia and the girl was from Russia. And they were so supportive. So not, not any bloody empire should try to invade anyone else. So talking about peoples and the governments, people are much more... I don't much better than their governments are.

Yeah that's true. That's true.

Very. Great great day. You're tenth, so you're my, my final guest.

Yeah.

I've, I'm out of gifts, but I have a good... It's a, okay, it's, it's a political thing. It says, if KMT doesn't fall, Taiwan will never be good.

Sorry?

If KMT, the Kuomintang Party, if they don't fall, Taiwan will never become good.

This, uh, they, yes, like last year there were mass protests there.

Yeah.

So it's you can hold it as historical memorabilia because there is not a single thing like that.

Uh, but it's political. It's very...

Of course, but that's very cool. That's very cool.

Yeah, you, you just wear it as a headband.

You, you know KMT?

I think it is in my fit, but, it, it will be somewhere on display in my home because it's very cool.

Yeah.

But you know KMT, the party that came from China and they pro, they're pro-unification?

Yeah, I, I've studied a lot of history and political sciences so.

Yeah, yeah, so there. I should study more.

Are you guys students here in, in Finland or do, do you work already?

Uh, I'm working myself. I am as a security guard right now.

Okay, okay good.

And I do photography stuff.

Sony or Canon?

I use Fujifilm myself.

Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, that's, that's niche.

I started with Canon, uh, my mom's camera Canon and then I switched to Fujifilm after my military service.

Okay, I, I'm a Sony guy.

Oh yeah.

I was, I used Canon's cameras in military service. I was a media person. I used cameras there, yeah.

Okay, so you're like military journalist?

Uh photographer is more like, yeah.

Okay, wow.

We just like took the photos and sent them to the journalist who did the job like continued it, yeah.

Great great great great.

Alrighty, thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you so much.

And I, I love Finland. Yeah, I love Finland. It's a great country.

Have you here. Welcome to Finland.

Thank you, thank you so much. And I hope that one day you will be able to visit Taiwan. It's a beautiful country, very good food. But one suggestion, just go in, uh, in the fall or in the winter. Because summers are just brutal. It will be like 40 Celsius, very humid. You won't be able to do much sightseeing because it's scorchingly hot.

Yeah, I can believe so.

Winters, fall, maybe early summer, very comfortable. Taiwan is quite high on my list. I'm going to, uh, my, my dream is to visit every country in the world. So Taiwan is quite high on my list when I'm...

When you go to Japan, you can actually go, go there from Japan.

Yeah.

Plane tickets are pretty cheap between, uh, between Tokyo and Taipei.

Good to know, because I'm, I'm, I think I'm planning maybe next spring to go on a work trip to Japan.

Okay.

There might be, might be time for that.

And try going out of Taipei City.

Of course.

Taipei City is the least representative of Taiwan and its culture.

So I have understood.

And Iactually I, it, it wasn't a long time I watched TV series that was filmed in Tai-, Taiwanese, or?

Not Taiwanese. It's an American production. Uh it's like an um it's not a TV series, it's in YouTube. Uh but it's like a travel show. Okay. Uh where they uh in in different places uh compete uh traveling around the country. So it was a a good a good show. I hope so at least, to show Taiwanese countryside and culture. Yeah and also go to the mountains and see the indigenous tribes. Because the culture there is totally different from from the big cities. Yeah. Because they are uh they're Austro-Nesian. They're closer ethnically to to Native Americans. To to indigenous to to Inuit people even. Yeah. Than to East Asians like Chinese Japanese. Have a nice day. Taiwanese. Yeah yeah. They're very interesting. That is that is of course. Thank you, thank you guys. Very nice to meet you. Enjoy the day enjoy the day. Thank you thank you.

前陣子我到芬蘭首都赫爾辛基參加歐臺會，剛好在街頭遇到兩位芬蘭年輕人。原本只是想隨性的聊聊天，沒有想到其中一位不但認識臺灣的國旗，對臺灣的政治處境、兩岸關係，甚至亞洲的安全域性勢都有一定的瞭解。所以我就問他一個問題，你覺得臺灣重要嗎？為什麼？我本來以為他可能跟很多美國人一樣啊，從臺積電吶、半導體或是臺灣的戰略位置來回答，沒想到他的第一個反應卻讓我非常意外，也讓我印象很深刻。到底這位芬蘭年輕人怎麼看臺灣？而在距離臺灣這麼遙遠的北歐，又有多少人真正瞭解我們所面對的處境？今天就帶大家來看看這段有趣的街頭對話。

看完這段訪談，我覺得最值得思考，就是這位芬蘭年輕人對臺灣重要性的回答。我們經常聽到國際社會討論臺灣半導體、臺灣的戰略的地位啊，或是美中之間的競爭，這些當然都很重要，但臺灣的價值，難道只是因為我們能夠替世界提供什麼嗎？我很喜歡這位芬蘭朋友的回答，因為臺灣是一個國家，因為這裡有人生活，所以臺灣本來就很重要。有時候最簡單的道理，反而最容易被國際政治那一些複雜的算計給忽略。不知道大家對他的回答有什麼樣的看法，歡迎在下面留言，也別忘了訂閱我們新聞硬邦邦，我們不見不散。

A while ago I went to Finland to Helsinki, the capital, for the European Taiwan Association conference, and happened to run into two young Finns on the street. At first I just wanted to have a casual chat. I never expected that one of them not only knew Taiwan's national flag, but also had a certain understanding of Taiwan's political situation, cross-strait relations, and even the security situation in Asia. So I asked him one question. Do you think Taiwan is important? Why? I had assumed he might be like a lot of Americans, and answer in terms of TSMC, semiconductors, or Taiwan's strategic position. But his first reaction really caught me off guard and left a deep impression on me. How exactly does this young Finn see Taiwan? And in Northern Europe, so far away from Taiwan, how many people truly understand the situation we face? Today I'll take everyone to watch this interesting street conversation.

After watching this interview, I think what's most worth reflecting on is this Finnish the young man's answer about Taiwan's importance. We often hear the international community discuss Taiwan's semiconductors, Taiwan's strategic position, or the competition between the US and China. Of course, these are all very important, but Taiwan's value, does it only come from what we can provide to the world? I really like this Finnish friend's answer. Because Taiwan is a country. Because there are people living here. So Taiwan has always been important. Sometimes the simplest truth is instead the easiest for international politics to overlook with all those complicated calculations. I wonder what everyone thinks of his answer. Feel free to leave a comment below. And don't forget to subscribe to our News Hardcore. We'll see you there