VOA專訪臺灣駐美代表俞大㵢：“特習會”後美臺關係不變 將一同贏得“超級智慧”競賽

美國之音專訪臺灣駐美代表俞大㵢，就特習會後美臺關係、臺積電在美投資、美對臺軍售、飛虎隊歷史敘事權及臺灣民主自由等議題進行深入探討。俞大㵢強調美臺關係基於臺灣關係法與六項保證保持不變，臺灣在半導體與AI供應鏈中扮演關鍵角色，並駁斥了北京對歷史敘事的篡改。

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Welcome to VOA Today. We're joined by Taiwan's representative to the United States, Ambassador Alexander Yu. Ambassador Yu, it's a pleasure to have you with us.

Well, thank you, Daphne. Thank you for having me at VOA, Voice of America.

Just one week after the U.S.-China summit, we are seeing several new developments in U.S.-Taiwan relationship, 包括F-16V，以及曾經在美國的新聞發展。您如何看待最新的發展在美臺關係上的影響？

I mean, it's exactly what the U.S. administration has been saying all along, that the United States position on Taiwan remains unchanged, despite the, you know, several occasions where the leaders from the United States and people of the Republic of China have met, as one as recently as last week. But U.S.-Taiwan relations goes on as, you know, in a very productive way. 在臺灣的第一個F-16V交付到臺灣的設計與臺灣人和臺灣人的合作是一部分的合作，我們的合作。所以這就是我們的合作，我們的合作在臺灣上。在同時的前面，蔡英文……

Of course, we know there has been continued interest for your president, President William Lai has a transit stop in the United States. But with G20 and APEC coming up, probably another chance for the two leaders to have another summit. Is that possible for President Lai Ching-te to visit the States by the end of this year?

My President Lai Ching-te, it's a normal function for President to visit. 是在美國的地區域，在南美國、西方，這可能會有一個停止在美國，這將會做到在前面的設計。這些會有關我們的美國的同事，如果有一個設計是有行程的，但這就是臺北的選擇。

你有任何談及與美國官員、川普團隊的會議嗎？

President Lai, after the summit, did that call ever take place?

Well, again, the contacts between Taiwan and U.S. officials are closed, regular, and very open at different levels. I'll just leave it at that.

Okay. President Trump said that he and President Xi discussed Taiwan extensively in 11, 但在這一集的議會中，它看起來沒有太多時間在臺灣上。什麼會告訴你如何在臺灣和北京管理他們的雙邊關係，會令他們更加調整的選擇？

Obviously the Chinese did mention Taiwan, but there was little or no reaction from the U.S. side, which I think this is very clear. The United States, they have been mentioning there's no change in U.S. position on Taiwan. So the Chinese may want to do this and that, or try to change or persuade or sway U.S. opinions or policy on Taiwan. But the fact is the U.S.-Taiwan relations still based on the Taiwan Relations Act and the six assurances, and the relations between Taiwan and the United States is thriving on multiple levels and that hasn't changed. So again, US contact with people in the Republic of China, it's ongoing, it's good for peace and stability, they call it constructive strategic stability, which is good to reduce the misunderstandings, frictions, conflicts. But Taiwan issue shouldn't be discussion because that actually doesn't pertain to the U.S.-PRC relations. The Taiwan issue with the United States should be separate.

So you think that the communication should be separate?

Well, the fact is, again, People of the Republic of China tries to impose the one China principle on everyone. And the one China principle, as you know, is there's only one China in the world. The Chinese Communist Party is the only authority that can rule on China, and Taiwan is part of that China. That's the one China principle. But most countries including the United States has a one-China policy, and that one-China policy doesn't really relate, that includes Taiwan Relations Act, I mean in relation to the six assurances, so that doesn't really exclude the United States having a very fruitful productive interaction with Taiwan, as the Minister of Defense from the Philippines recently mentioned Gilberto, he also mentioned that when he was challenged by the Chinese on certain happenings about Taiwan and the Philippines, he said, well, you know, in the Philippines we have a one China policy, but that doesn't exclude us from having a productive or thriving interaction with Taiwan. That's precisely the point. Many countries, including Europe and the United States and other countries, are more and more aware that their one China policy does not exclude them for having a very productive interaction with Taiwan.

the geopolitical you know a part of this uh issue that is important to the united states and to the world, you know, as you know, uh probably 50 plus of the world trade goes through Taiwan Strait. Taiwan is relevant in terms of technology, semiconductor production, etc. And also we are like-minded with the United States in terms of we all value democracy, we all value human rights, rule of law, etc. 所以我們也變成很重要的……

這些技能應該是建立的好事，它是要聘用人物的好方法，而不使用 technology 制定或控制 our lives。所以那是重要的地方。臺灣不只會沒有起……

the most advanced chips in Taiwan and obviously some are being made in United States eventually, but mostly are still made in Taiwan, especially the newest, most high end are still being made in Taiwan. We also make, I think, like 90 percent of the data servers and AI servers are made by Taiwanese companies, not necessarily physically in Taiwan, but by Taiwanese companies in the United States, Mexico, and other places. So we're very relevant to the AI development.

Like you said, Taiwan produces, like, more than 90% of the world's most advanced computer chips. So President Trump said that whoever wins, superintelligence, wins. Yes.

So Taiwan produces so many computer important chips. Will that make Taiwan a more critical player in this global AI race, especially between China and the US?

Of course we are. We want to win this race together. Again, we're like-minded in terms of values. We are trusted in terms of technology development. And the semiconductor production itself, it's a good symbiotic relationship between the United States, companies designed these very intricate chips, and using European and Japanese machines, lithograph machines, and manufactured by Taiwanese companies. This partnership is actually a partnership that is productive and beneficial to all three of us.

當然這會被臺灣人的管理。有些爭論是有些估計的，如果派遇臺灣，他們會把臺灣在臺灣，他們會在臺灣的汽車裡，他們會把臺灣的汽車裡的汽車裡。那不是真的因為，臺灣在汽車裡的汽車裡，他們的汽車裡，他們從南部、日本、其他地方、美國的東西，他們的汽車裡面是有機會的。但是為什麼是TSMC那麼成功？為什麼會繼續購買TSMC？因為它們是最好的在做這些品牌。它們不是隻有機器，它們是機器，而且在中國，它們在中國，它們在生產。They created the state-owned companies that replicate TSMC, they've hired TSMC managers, engineers, but they cannot and so far have not been able to replicate that there, so they're still far away from reaching the capacity and the technology that TSMC has.

We learned from the United States, you know, our engineers were trained in the United States, we licensed from the United States, we didn't steal the technology, but we got very good at it. And not only TSMC, the company, but also the entire supply chain that is in Taiwan, you know, maybe there's hundreds if not a thousand companies that work with TSMC, the supply chain in Taiwan that makes this such a successful component. And that is the key for why you can buy semiconductors from Japan or Korea or the United States, but why do people keep buying from TSMC? Because they're very good, and they can, you know, with the suggestions from the United States, the Americans can...

這就是臺灣的value。如果我明白，如果是這樣，是在臺灣的情況下，他們控制了臺灣的葉子，他們不能控制了臺灣的情況下，他們不會只地購買了解釋運賽。首先，我希望說，Anybody wants 臺灣to be occupied by the PLA, so we will defend ourselves. That's what we're doing. Strengthen Taiwan so that they'll never dare 阻止臺灣。But even if they get hold of the TSMC factories, they're just getting machines that they can buy from Netherlands and Japan, etc., against the human factor that they can't replicate, and that's what's valuable.

But again, people say, well, so why not就是把所有的美國都帶來的東西和把金鎮的系統把金鎮的系統把所有的美國都帶來到美國，然後就做得到臺灣。我們不需要臺灣，因為我們已經有所有的東西。在美國都不太容易，因為這些東西是非常好在臺灣的效果。它們的結果是十分之處。這些人的關係和TSMC，而去做這些美國的美國，從一天到另一天，那會有些時間。

但是我們在做的，TSMC是在美國的，在Phoenix，目前的投入是650億美元。就是新的新發布的新發布，對嗎？有些傳聞，不，不，未曾有的估計和他們在提前提到TSMC不太提升了，但是有估計或疑估對TSMC移動的。但那就是貴書。你必須要問是TSMC賣下的投入，TSMC達到內衷是650億美元的投入。排行...

And we're also helping TSMC or we're trying to also bring the supply chain from Taiwan into the United States, maybe Arizona, maybe other places, Texas, others, and bring that successful formula into United States. But again, the brunt of the production for Taiwanese technology, you know, semiconductors, they will still be in Taiwan. But what we will do, definitely, our financial investments, we will move some production lines to the United States. And then we will bring back to Taiwan, because we will not forget... This is what we will use from Taiwan. But our main focus, these things we will see more, more, more.

但是其實沒有，其實沒有它們的 demand，這超級的，超級的，超級的。我沒有覺得Nvidia可以買它全都在臺灣，因為它們想更多，Nvidia、AMD要更多。TSMC可以做不全都在臺灣，因為它們的 demand是很大，他們需要繼續延長的產品。臺灣是一個大陸，大陸的大陸，我們是很小的，所以我們不可以全部都在臺灣。雖然TSMC itself是增加更多在臺灣，但是在臺灣的股份在美國，是隻是增加了其他股份，而不是增加的，但其實是增加的。同樣的一樣，例如在食品的食品，例如McDonald's或鼎泰豐，他們的股份是..., 他們的股份是增加更多的市場，他們的股份是不只是... 他們的股份是他們的股份是...

Why should the fund and change their footprint? And actually that's good for our business and good for United States, because you're bringing in also technology, you're bringing job opportunities, but also our clients are United States. The one thing that I do appeal to United States is the passage of the avoidance of double taxation that is still pending to be approved by the US Senate. And the approval of ADTA, Double Taxation Bill, is important because we're the only major trading partner with the United States不享受這種優惠。這意味著臺灣人在美國都會在美國大量的利益對美國的售價有收入，而臺灣國政府的收入穩定，這些願者在一個失禁的比較和其他國家，比照日本和韓國。而對大多數的國家，他們會執行這種差處，但在小和大的大多數的國家，當然那是大部分的分別。所以我推薦到美國的美國，會讓美國的美國的美國，而且會提供更多臺灣的發展在美國的美國。

說到臺灣的安全，二十六個月的F-16V終於非常期待。我們很期待在臺灣好。但是問題是，那麼香港的大幌，140億美元市場的套餐仍然存在能源，什麼時候來自然呢？發生什麼時候會有什麼動作呢？

首先，我們將會鼓勵，第一次他們傳送的軍事F-16的7專案的VIPER終於出現了新一項座的第一次。你將會見到傳送的，所以知道新一項公司的F-16的還會安裝，所以那是很感激和很感激的動作。而是有所努力的努力，去延估的製造的衣服，我們買到美國之前，而有所努力的努力，也有所努力的努力，所以我們有所努力的努力。

而我也想要感受到，我們要感受到特朗普總統的，因為特朗普總統第1章以印尼、中文臺課唯一，也訪諾不得很少的上海哦。在年底下，他之前的法資獎幾十多億獎戴相當的本次的使用者。但同時，與巨人的宣導到地方，它是有三層的層層層。

The third level that Taiwan is receiving from the People's Republic of China's army is actually pretty high. You know, if you look at Taiwan on a daily basis, there are always ships, Chinese ships and planes, and naval assets, coastal assets, even this purported steel-hull fishing boats, you know, that they actually act on orders of the Chinese government that are actually operating around Taiwan. So that's a constant threat that we received.

我們需要更加強烈的手機器，儘量，尤其是在烏兵，是一個小國的國家，對比較大型的攻擊。我們也要更加強烈的方式，在一個產生的方式的方式，我們需要更加強烈的方式，更加強烈的方式，更加密切的方式，那是需要的。我們希望的繼續收侵航空IP，到臺灣選擇和最快，eta爭輝著最早。

You你出現11-14 billion要放這是一個描述,其實在相比,VUA has prepared a graphic comparing arms sales on the different U.S. administrations according to data from the DSCA. As of December 17, 2025, the amounts notified to Congress during each administration were Clinton is around 8.7 billion, George W. Bush 15.6 billion, and Obama administration is 13.9 billion. Trump's first turn like you know what the messenger said 18.2 billion and Biden was 8.3 billion so if we combine Trump's second turn 11 billion and another additional 14 billion in planned arms sale to Taiwan Trump's second turn actually total approximately 25.4 billion so what does that tell you about in general the US commitment to Taiwan under this administration? I mean not only this administration but the the the all the administration the u.s. administrations that uh u.s different presidents have been committed to the defense of taiwan you know providing enough sufficient uh arms equipments to taiwan selling we're not getting it for free we're buying uh and and and that has been the the the position of subsequent u.s administrations no 不 matter which party they're from so that commitment is strong not only from the federal government but also from Congress Congress be it Republican, Democrats, Senate House or Senators there's always been a strong support for Taiwan increasing Taiwan's improving Taiwan's defense capabilities.

and beyond the dollar amount what does Taiwan most urgently urgently need from the United States to you know for the deterrent And to achieve the peace through strength Well I mean I think United States is well aware of the uh uh challenges and the, uh adversarial relationship that PRC is uh bringing on the region PRC's trying to accuse for example Japan of this new militarism you know they they remind us that japan invaded china in the late thirty's World War two that there's a resurgence of japanese militarism and at that we should 他指會說我們該對日本的軍事充滿 他還在臺灣和菲律中 一直進入軍工具 令其農業更危險 這其實也正在是另一方 是國獨立兵士兵士在一直進入軍事充滿 他們目前最大的名字在世界上 they have very large assets you know continuously improve adding and they're creating uh uh uh threats and instability in the region and that's why so many countries around the world including the united states you know i can just state uh during the last last week's united nations general assembly on the sidelines secretary rubio met with the four ministers of japan and Korea during their joint statements they mentioned you know the need for peace stability in taiwan straits no unilateral coercion no unilateral change of status quo even supporting taiwan's meaningful participation international organizations which we're very grateful but also from other countries there was also another meeting between the four ministers of eight countries which i'll be very fast was australia new zealand japan korea germany france Poland and UK they also in their joint statement also mentioned exactly the same thing peace stability Taiwan Straits no coercion no you'll know your lateral change your status quo and that is the prevalent feeling that you know most countries have like-minded countries democratic countries and China should not be the one creating all this trouble we're not creating we want peace and stability it is the people republic of China who is doing the creating all.

你提到那些事情的日本 其實在24月的日子, 在美國-China的臺南, 習近平和習近平 他們在歷史上的歷史 和船長的《輪胎虎》 然後習近平也在影響 《輪胎虎》是一個象徵 和中國的關係 and you know, forging blood and fire, you know, fighting together against Japan, but we know that Taiwan government the next day on September 25th issued a statement challenging Beijing's historical narrative saying hey, I'm gonna quote here because he said the people's Republic of China established only in 1949, did not exist during the war. It was the Republic of China that fought with the United States side by side and the Communist Party's narrative cannot erase the Republic of China'shistorical contribution during World Two. What's your reaction to that?

It says exactly you know I also went on another TV interview and I also made very clear I brought out the figure of the bloodshed 川普派援軍營派軍 這些不袁裝在身邊還有男騎士帶戰的帶戰 說明軍長在背景時 在朝著中 alla中文字 這個藝人是 Vijayan 讓它們與達方向 其實PRC fought with the United States in the Korean War, the newly established PRC. So those narratives become like a diplomatic competition right now. Well,I mean, that's what PRC is good at. They're good at changing many million semantics.President Trump mentioned the Flying Tigers as a way of saying the United States was there to help the Chinese people during when they had a crisis, a problem. Again there was a Japanese invasion which started in 1937 and then you had the American Volunteer Group who flew the Flying Tigers prior to the United States involvement in World War II prior to Pearl Harbor so there was a group of very valiant heroics young men under Claire Chenault who were directing the AVG and the Flying Tigers and they were flying the planes with這個派了有與的韓方式。這是一個派了中國的派對?日本朝禮文王的日本朝禮文王的國家。在中國中國ольше國導致的共產大戰works until then they were a band of guerrillas, they were barely if any fighting the Japanese, if they did they were sort of small skirmishes in the fringes of the battle theater, the brunt of the war was fought by the government of the republic of China troops. And a journalist friend reminded me that what the Chinese, the PRC is doing is basically called stolen valor in the wholesale scale because how can you rob the efforts and the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of people who fought against the Japanese during the war and rob them and say, no, we did it instead of them. That is just not right. That's why it was important for me to set the facts straight during the interview.

所以是重要的，中共的故事是很重要的，所以，很容易解釋，你所提及的，中國的共產黨被建立了1912，中國的民主的共產黨被建立了1949，所以，當時，中國的共產黨被建立了1945年，所以，很明確，而且，正如同時，中國的共產黨被建立了，中國的共產黨被建立了not long after they were fighting and killing american soldiers in korea so they're the ones who've been on an adverse celebration with the united states constantly in my country the republic of china now we're situated in taiwan which means this is a different story and now we are you know obviously very very proud to be taiwanese after 77 years being in taiwan we're the ones who's constantly being your friends and allies and up to this day we're still your friends and allies.

所以，Ambassador Yu, why this piece of history still, not only the shared memory in the past, but also like, you know, has a real meaning and why it still matters to the current U.S.-Taiwan relation? How can Taiwan preserve this history and turn this shared history into a strategic asset for U.S.-Taiwan relations? It is. I mean, it does symbolize and does mean that the relationship between my people my country republic of china that's now situated in taiwan and the relationship that we have with the united states goes back not just after 49 it goes way beyond during during the the flying tigers were back in the 30s and also we have scores i've met scores of people in the united states whose father or you know grandfather were missionaries in china they were doctors inalgumas人在英國 early in China and some were born in China and they told me that they had to leave because of the Chinese Communist Revolution and then some of them came to Taiwan, so this bond between us goes way beyond since when the government was in China. So, but again, I want to stress, the government replied with China then was relocated to Taiwan in 1949. And since then for 77 years, we've been at odds with the Chinese Communist regime by live on mainland China for 77 years we have developed a very strong Taiwanese identity on the island and now we are very proud to call ourselves Taiwanese, but the official name of my country is still Republic of China, so I want to stress the Chinese PRC keeps saying the United States should oppose Taiwan independence you know that's what they're trying to do. United States they said no we have no change in policy, this is not what we're what we're saying.

而且這就是一個個人的陷害，現在沒有人在這一點，這點是歷史非黨叛利。我們想為國家的壞，也想為習慣，舍立。我們想我們予生的生活，美國才富有錢，享受這種食物。我們不想任何問題。所以中國民主黨的共產黨應該認為 оно，最近為什麼要講到特朗普何一個聲許的聲診，或是政府的政府和政府的政府，以為您的想法和政府的提供，在這時刻的提供。

首先，我再次想表達了，我們的中國人，政府和政府，為他們的支援，為他們的支援自在臺灣的自由，我要表達了，我們要保護不利，我們要保護不利，保護不利and also it's important that the United States continue to provide us with the adequate equipment to be able to defend ourselves you know we we will never appease to to the bullies and I also want to borrow a phrase that was mentioned by your United States first diplomat called Benjamin Franklin and and he said back then 250 years ago that those who want to give up essential liberty to purchase a little piece of temporary safety deserves neither freedom nor safety you know and that's exactly our our our mentality we will fight to preserve our democracy and we're great we're. We are very appreciative and grateful that we have American friends who share the same values.

You are celebrating the 1950s of a Democratic Republic, We are celebrating 30 years of direct presidential elections in Taiwan. So that we are free and democratic and we supers inclusion our way of life. And we are very appreciative that the United States is on our side. Thank you so very much, astronauta Yu..Thank you very much for joining us and sharing your insights thank you. Thank you Daphne for you these Nou for your interview. Thank you very much. 謝謝大家