閆博士之聲【閆博士/斯蒂芬·格里菲斯】（上）中共給世界營造的假象以及對西方國家的滲透

本期路德社《閆博士說》節目中，主持人閆博士邀請英國作家斯蒂芬·格里菲斯作為嘉賓。雙方探討了斯蒂芬在1996年至2003年居住在香港的親身經歷，對比了當時香港與中國大陸的巨大差異，並剖析了中共如何透過虛假宣傳向世界輸出假象、對西方國家進行滲透，以及西方政客在疫情起源和香港問題上的沉默與妥協。

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Voice of Dr. Yin. I'm your host, Dr. Liming Yin. In this episode, I have a new guest, who is Stephen Griffiths, and he's a UK writer. And he lived in Hong Kong from 1996 to 2003, where he taught English. And he wrote a book mostly based on his experience there, titled The Q, Common English Books.

When he returned to England, he worked at a theatre, becoming business manager. And the theatre closed during lockdown, which gave him some time to ponder and make sense of the madness of these times. And so that's why, he got a new book published. And this new book is a novel. It's called Mowidjian. And hi, Stephen. And I want you to join me, not only because of your book, but also because you have your experience living in Hong Kong for seven years, which is the same as as I stayed in Hong Kong. And from reading your book, and thank you for sending me a copy, and I can realize that you have the in-depth understanding.

In the beginning, as in the front of your book, it is dedicated to the brave people of Hong Kong who stood up for freedom while the world distracted, looked down, and looked the other way. So this is very impressive because, as you may know that I stayed in Hong Kong, from 2012 until April 2020, I escaped to the United States, and I also experienced the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement started from 2019 and which is totally the turn, the turning point of Hong Kong people's fate. So.

Hong Kong people's their brave activities and also their spirit always inspired me, and that's also why finally when I see the pandemic the outbreak happened in Wuhan, I know that I must be the whistle blower to let the world know the truth, and because I have seen what happened in Hong Kong and make me understand realize the evilness of communist China. So, before we start our conversation today, what would you like our audience to know about you?

Um. Well, as you mentioned, I I lived in Hong Kong for seven years from 1996 to 2003, and yeah, and gained quite a lot of knowledge of the place, which I sort of incorporated into into my writing. I've always I've always enjoyed writing, and it was actually about Hong Kong, which was called the Kowloon English Club, which was it was a.

More, it was more than more wellian. It was more about my experiences there with the people and the place, and the experience of being a sort of a foreigner and culture, trying to find my way with living in Hong Kong as a and just the experiences of teaching and the the the humour of the misunderstandings and.

And everything, and it was only later that I became more political. Probably in the post COVID era, I wanted to something more, more serious and more political that incorporated my knowledge of of Hong Kong and its people and China.

And so, as you have mentioned, you stayed in Hong Kong for seven years, and you also have traveled to mainland China at that time. So, could you briefly tell our audience what your feeling between mainland China and Hong Kong at that period? I mean, that was 20 years ago, and even before China joined WTO. At that time, I was still a middle school student. So, what's your understanding? And I know you have wrote a lot in your book, but if you want, share with our audience, what do you think would be the most.

Interesting or important part you think most of American listeners would make off? So you mean like the contrast between Hong Kong and the mainland is that the yeah you're understanding you're feeling and you think that American or English speaking readers who don't really understand? Yeah, yeah. I found it really fascinating from the perspective of somebody visiting Hong Kong from and meeting lots of the Hong Kong Chinese people, and most of them had one or two parents or maybe grandparents from.

And yet, they they had quite a negative perception of China as being kind of it may be more backward and more. And my my first experience was going over to Shenzhen and then Guangzhou. Yeah, and I remember going. I remember going on a train to Guangzhou. I had a Chinese girlfriend at the time, and we were just pulling into Guangzhou, and the pollution was terrible.

You could sort in the atmosphere, and you could see all the smoke coming out of these little brick built buildings. So it was still quite a poor place then. And lying on the floor, and there was two other men with sticks who were beating him. And I said, and there were some other people watching. And I said to my my girlfriend, why Why don't they call the police? And she said, they are the police. So it was like.

It was such we think was kind of, you know, civilized and safe and ordered. And Guangzhou at that time was very chaotic and maybe maybe not so safe. But that was sort of 1996 around then. So I think I think since then it's a lot. I always found it quite interesting the the difference between the Hong Kong people and the mainland people.

Because they're from Chinese, but the culture is is so different, and the people of Hong Kong were kind of infused a respect for law and democracy and freedom, and that contrast kind of fascinating, really.

So, have you, been back to China, mainland China or Hong Kong, since you left Hong Kong in 2003? No, no, I haven't. Haven't. Then, so now you have seen that in the past 20 years, especially before the pandemic, Chinese government tried to change their image in the world, and they try to portray themselves as some friendly country and become more open, and people are richer. So they, they.

They are delivering. They have been delivering the misinformation, the me, the signal to the world that oh, China, is changed, is changing, and so people become richer, and so oh, we are. There is no difference between the West and communist China. So, do you also have this kind of feeling as China government want people to know, or you somehow realize the difference? And if you have realized the difference, or if you don't trust China government, this kind of propaganda, could you tell people why you don't trust them?

Well, when you think about the sort of Chinese credit score, democracy, the suppression of dissidents like Jimmy Lai and people like that, and people being locked up for criticizing the government...

Yeah, but the trouble is, a lot of Western countries, including their leaders, look at China with maybe some horror about the lack of freedoms. But Western countries now kind of look at China with envy. They want to have that power, that control. It's kind of worrying that people like Trudeau and Keir Starmer seem to be following some sort of authoritarian government, and I guess the Democrats in America as well. They don't look at China in the way that freedom-loving people do. So that's quite concerning for a lot of the world.

But what I would say about the Chinese government is that, in some ways, the Communist Party has more pride in its country than a lot of Western countries and Western governments do. I think they still want to build up China to be powerful, and strive by oppressing the people to get there. Whereas a lot of Western countries, including my own, want to oppress the people, being the country. They're almost destroying our civilization. Whereas I think China, in some ways, is becoming stronger, while the West is becoming weaker. Do you know what I mean?

So, yes, China is becoming stronger, and we need to admit that, because China has spent decades focusing on undermining the West and grabbing your wealth, your knowledge, and all these things for Communist China’s development. China is communist. China is very aggressive. It expands its international influence through One Belt, One Road. Now it is expanding the concept of the Global South, and they are even modifying the concept, as I described in the previous episode. Basically, Communist China is forming a very strong and very wide campaign covering all the potential countries that would be U.S. enemies, and, if not, they could turn them into enemies of the U.S. and Western civilized countries. So the U.K., of course, as a strong ally of the United States, is also China's primary target. We have seen a lot of infiltration, massive manipulation, and espionage activities conducted by Communist China in the U.K. But still, it seems the U.K. government does not fully realize the threat coming from Communist China. For example, recently we have seen reports on the controversial establishment of China's super embassy in the most important area of London. Have you ever noticed these reports? And what do you think about that?

No, I wasn't aware of that, but I'm I'm aware that a lot of Western governments seem to want to always defend China and don't want to. They're afraid, either afraid of being accused of being racist, or maybe there's another agenda that there is some sort of collusion between a lot of these corrupt Western governments and China. If you look at

During the COVID outbreak, nobody wanted to report about the origins of the virus, and Trump got a lot of criticism because he was the only one that was prepared to, you know, call it the China virus and to blame China in some way. Whereas most of the other governments, they seem to be afraid of China, or they're, like I said, or maybe they have another agenda where they're colluding with China and covering covering China's back, so to speak.

Even the the origins of the virus. I mean, I'm not an intellectual, I'm not a scientist, but when I discovered that the outbreak of the virus was in Wuhan, where the Institute of Virology was, it seemed to me quite likely that that was the. And yet, nobody in the media, nobody in the government in Western countries wanted to face that reality.

And and and then and then also in my novel I talked about how how the the outbreak was weaponised against the people of Hong Kong. Now again, hardly anybody reported on that in in the West. No government seemed to be very interested that the Chinese government used the the outbreak of the virus to suppress the rebellion that was mounting in Hong Kong.

And managed to do that successfully, while the world, to be fair, was preoccupied with a potentially dangerous virus arriving on their shores. Nobody was noticing what was happening in Hong Kong. So, under the guise of a public health emergency, China was able to completely sweep away the last remnants of the Hong Kong rebellion and bring in new legislation and arrest people. And nobody was nobody was taking it on head, or they were distracted. Job done.

Yes, exactly. So China government has done a lot of things. Actually, not that difficult for the world to realize, at least to realize there's something suspicious. However, the suppression of the speech, uh, made it become worse than we can expect it before the pandemic. For for example, like me, I stay in Hong Kong at that time. I know that uh China government was suppressing Hong Kong's freedom, uh, especially since the 2019, everything become very extreme, but.

Still, I thought the Western countries, but especially like UK, you know, UK government knows Hong Kong very well, and Hong Kong people really ah love the UK ah the past time when UK ah in charge of Hong Kong. So I didn't expect that kind of tragedy happened at that time because not only me, my my Hong Kong friends at that time, they all thought UK government could do something strongly against ah Chinese Communist Party, and at least try to maximally protect.

The brave Hong Kong people, but to be honest, is very disappointed. And then we see the commenting happen, and even makes things worse that we know that comes from the lab. And I'm the whistleblower and virologist. But as you said, you are layman, but you just need to do a little research and based on your common sense and all your experience, you can at least identify this is something suspicious. And people should also focus on the lab origin, even.

You, I mean, as layman, you won't deny the nature origin at that time. Still, we should talk about the possibility of life origin. But no one allowed to was no one was allowed to talk about that, and people are silenced. And uh, so that actually uh gave a very a strong signal to the public that as long as you have common sense, you know there's something wrong. And if you don't want to become the sheep, or you don't want to be uh beaten like Hong Kong people in the street by this kind of evil regimes in the future, you should do something to prevent that.