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中共對川普的政策非常緊張，試圖製造世界各地的混亂來分散歐美的注意，以獲得優勢

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節目分析了中共在美歐對抗及俄烏戰爭中所扮演的幕後推手角色，指出中共利用語言和認知戰影響西方，同時透過串聯俄羅斯與伊朗推動核合作。閆博士強調，由於美國情報報告將中共列為頭號安全威脅，中共感到極度緊張，正試圖在朝鮮半島和世界各地製造混亂以分散歐美注意力。

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I think Americans' education, especially the extremist leftist ideology, makes it very similar to communism. But I still think that if we call the market the communist country, then every country in the world should be communist. Then there should be branches inside communism fighting against different branches. That would be another story. I mean, this is just about definition. Anyway, I think it's very dangerous to push Europe toward Russia.

I also believe that Europe is very important geopolitically for America's national security and for all kinds of future programs and long-term strategies. If the United States wants to maintain the dominance of the U.S. dollar in the world, and also the civilization we have now, I have some other ideas I want to share from my observation.

We see that NATO claims that if the U.S. leaves NATO, Russia will win in Europe. But I can also understand Trump's threat to pull the United States out of NATO, because NATO behaves much weaker than it talks about. During the Russia-Ukraine war, it didn't respond enough. It's especially clear that communist China is behind this. That regime gives Russia everything it needs and helps Russia. I would say Russia was like a frozen monster or frozen dragon, and communist China basically defrosted it, equipped it, and gave it everything it needed to kill people and launch the invasion.

But Europe tried to downplay all this influence from China. Whenever NATO, or the European Union in particular, has a conflict with the U.S.—for example, over Trump's tariff policies—they always claim they should deepen their ties with communist China to seek balance. To me, this is very ridiculous. That's not a way of thinking that solves the problem, maintains security, or makes them stronger. It's basically: “If the U.S. can't help us or give us what we want, then we'll turn to your enemy.”

I think it's very stupid. It's a way for these European countries to commit suicide. Ukraine, for example, seeks to join NATO, but that doesn't mean that once Ukraine joins NATO, it will get everything it wants to defeat Russia. Even within NATO, Turkey always rejects Ukraine's proposals. When we talk about helping Ukraine, we're not only helping Ukraine; we're also helping these European countries themselves.

Recently, Von der Leyen advocated for the Rearm Europe plan, which plans to raise about $800 billion to rearm Europe. However, France, Italy, and Spain rejected this plan. They said they were going to file for bankruptcy, even national bankruptcy, and that they couldn't afford this kind of budget. So I would say that maybe tariffs will be an efficient, or at least possible, solution for these countries to raise more funds for their rearmament plans.

The U.S. charges tariffs on Europe, and that portion of the tariff revenue can be used by the U.S. government to develop its defense and purchase equipment and weapons to help its allies. At the same time, Europe will charge more tariffs on the U.S. That income and revenue can also be used by these European countries to increase their defense budgets if they don't want to use their taxpayers' money at this moment.

I mean, these aren't simple things that we can just sit here and think about. The best, optimal situation we want is for the U.S. to be tough against both China and Russia and help Europe. But if we can't have that, then, compared to the Biden administration trying to be a little friendlier to China and defend Russia, maybe there will be a little change in the Trump administration. At least, it's only been two months since the Trump administration began, and we can see something different. Maybe, as things progress, more alternative solutions will emerge along with the situation, and there will be more possibilities. At least we can try at this moment. That's my thinking.

Yeah, babies is not freedom. It's a violation of law unless it happens in a brutal regime like communist China. But the law can be changed. That's the whole point, so that's not real freedom. I don't think that should be called freedom. I mean, I don't disagree with you about the Bible, but it's about how to define bad and good freedom, because...So you you said France is a most communist country, or even Jeff and Trevor South America is communist country. But, ah, for me, I was thinking when you are, ah, arguing that's very interesting because I come from the country with, ah, with. No freedom, no liberty compared to all of you, and when you try to define your country as communism, I I was thinking that maybe something wrong with this term of communism. Yeah, we we we're not defining it as communism. Yarvin in the Dark Enlightenment, people in MAGA are defining it as communism, right? We're not saying that.

Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, just joke because when citing these terms, and I, I was thinking the difference between the language, the terms, the cultures in the, especially. Ah, now when we talk about, as um, John, you said bad freedom. I think that is kind of the so-called freedom China said, which Chinese people have. Yes, in China, you can kill the cats and dogs easily. No one care about that. In China, there is no real ah that um. Domestic violation, ah, violence because when husband beaten the wife and he doesn't get the same punishment as a woman did it to the man. So and also killing babies is, I mean, to be honest, that still happen in China because, ah, not only about abortion, ah, is even because in the remote, not very remote even. Ah, I can tell you the story. My my friend has a babysitter in in her home in Guangzhou and she told me the babysitter is a very nice lady because she, ah, fostered, ah. Girl and she got that girl when she was a baby in the street. I said, How could she get a baby in the street randomly? And my friend said the babysitter lived in a town in Guangdong province. And in nineteen nineties to two thousand, when he when she adopted that ah baby, and at that time people usually ah abandoned the babies, the girl babies in the street.

Because that is even not the worst way for them to handle the baby girls. They they want son, so they don't want waste their quota of only one child at home. Then when they have baby, they realize that is girl. They throw it to river, throw it to the mountain, like feed the animals, or just leave it in the street. So either they could be eaten by the like the homeless dogs, or they could die there, or maybe their market they can be forceded by certain good people. And I also later heard many similar stories from other people in China.

So, yeah, this kind of—if you call it bad freedom—but we, we, we even Chinese people don't think that is freedom. It's just something very terrible, very horrible, anti-human. So, still, if you said this is bad freedom, I would argue with you that no, we don't have freedom. We don't admit that it's bad freedom. This is not freedom at all. And I want to add something I learned from your argument, which I was thinking very interesting. Maybe you didn't realize that because. When you are arguing about enlightenment, humanism, uh, liberty, freedom, this kind of terms, you can all explain like from the beginning of this term, how it come out and how it developed, how they combine the different maybe from Latin, uh, Latino to uh later become English or French, all this kind of history. But for me, as a Chinese native speaker, I can tell you, uh.

I, I mean, for me, I was thinking that's why China could manipulate the culture, uh, and also launch the advanced cognitive war against the West, because clearly you all can understand each other during argument along with your knowledge in the in history, in philosophy, in religion. But for Chinese and for actually Asian people, but mainly Chinese people, uh, versus you, I mean, there is some kind very deep gap between us. So like when we talk about, uh. Liberty, freedom, right? In China, we only have one term, 自由, about this. It cover all the things, and because we never develop real liberty or freedom in our culture, uh, so we, our understanding of these terms, of all these concepts, is totally different from you. Especially when we lack, uh, knowledge of Western culture, Western history, and religions.

Because we we don't have this kind of access, and also all your knowledge goes to China requires translation. So how it get translated in the beginning? That is during the same period when communism come to China, nineteen uh early uh twenty century, right? When Chinese people start go to uh the Western countries to learn the language, learn the uh knowledge, and bring it back to China, and then they start to translate. So all these terms like enlightenment, humanism, liberty, all these things in. Get into Chinese into our understanding, that becomes certain Chinese terms, and why it causes terms, it may have nothing related to the origin of this uh term. It's just some somehow maybe sounds beautiful, or maybe because of the understanding of the initiate translator in initial translator, and then after that we start to accept this uh term, and it become our knowledge, and that's why when when the West.Try to understand China or communicate with China, especially when the Chinese Communist Party becomes the owner of China, and it's easy for you to get cheated by Communist China. First, they deliberately try to cheat you. The second thing is that when they use the same terms as you, they are expressing different meanings, but you don't even know it. For example, now you can argue about the French Enlightenment and the U.S. Enlightenment, but when we use the same Chinese term, 啟蒙運動, and then translate it to “Enlightenment,” how could you define which term it is? Which background do we use for this term? When it's in a Chinese document, or in a negotiation with the Chinese government, or whatever kind of collaboration, how could you understand what China means? That's why China can package all different kinds of unrestricted war tactics in this kind of language, just to, how do I say, play tricks on you. That's something I was thinking about when you were talking. Yeah, it's very interesting.

Now, why do they need to build the firewall? Why do they need to control AI? They need to use AI to change your thinking when you try to understand Chinese documents. I played around with ChatGPT, not even the Chinese one, DeepSeek. I used ChatGPT to do a lot of tests. I realized that when it gets to the Chinese-English conversion, there's a very clear difference: it says it can't translate certain English content—English content that criticizes China's policies, even if it's just talking about Xinjiang or human rights. ChatGPT defines it as sensitive and a violation once you try to convert it into Chinese. I asked ChatGPT, “Why can't we criticize China's policies in Chinese?” It said, “Because China is a dictator country, it doesn't support some political correctness.” And I said, “Can we criticize Trump?” It said, “Yeah, we can, because this is a U.S. domestic problem.” I said, “Then can I criticize the Italian government?” It said, “Oh, you can,” because blah blah. So whatever—the point is that only China is sensitive.

And then, from AI, from China, from all Chinese, they use Confucius schools to teach you to learn Chinese. You think you're communicating with China in the way you want, but actually you've already been pulled into their whole game to manipulate your thinking and the terms, finally bringing you into the traps.

So, considering China's response and what China is working on, I can say that's why I'm optimistic about the recently published annual national intelligence report from the U.S. government. It uses the same number of pages to describe China's threat against the U.S. as it uses to talk about Russia, Iran, and North Korea together. That means China itself is equal to all the other three nations in terms of the national security threat against the U.S. That means China has already been put at the top as an enemy target against the U.S. This is also why the Communist Chinese government is very nervous.

One of their responses is to bring Russia and Iran to Beijing and hold a conference talking about nuclear security. But we all know that Iran's nuclear capacity is definitely not for peace. China mainly facilitated all these things, helped them build the underground Great Wall of nuclear facilities, and also supplied materials to Iran. Even after the conference in Beijing, the U.S. government announced that they had detected and intercepted ships from China to Iran carrying materials related to nuclear reactions and nuclear weapons.

It's like when China launched the so-called Palestine peace conference in Beijing in 2024. They recruited Hamas and all the other militant branches on behalf of this terrorist, and also the Palestine Authority, in Beijing, to claim that China would help build a peaceful Middle East and alsoThey try to play an important role in the Middle East crisis against the West by leveraging terrorists. Soon after, these terrorists, especially Hamas leaders, appear in photos with China's Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi, or get eliminated. If this could be a tradition, then in the foreseeable future we might see someone else at these Iran-China-Russia nuclear meetings get eliminated as well, because China is clearly using nuclear weapons or nuclear capabilities to create this kind of clear threat against the world. I don't think the U.S. government should allow it to happen. That's why I also think the U.S. government's plan to attack Iran, hit Iran, destroy the regime and destroy its nuclear weapons programs is not just talk, talk, blah blah. It should be something already on their classified program.

China, I mean—if Russia is attacking NATO and the U.S., are China and North Korea ready to start a war in the Far East and join Russia? What I can tell you is that China is always behind Russia, because the Ukraine war didn't waste Russia's elite troops. As you also mentioned, they mainly use prisoners, mercenaries like Wagner, troops from North Korea, or even some people from China to conduct the Ukraine war. But they still preserve and secretly train their elite military for future attacks against Europe. I would also say they are preparing for the Far East battlefield, because according to our sources, China and Russia have plans. They believe the Korean Peninsula is one of the optimal battlefields, because in that area these three countries—China, North Korea, and Russia—would have no problem with supplies or logistics. But it would not be easy for the United States to defend that area while facing the joint troops.

Japan is also in danger, because the war between Japan and Russia didn't thoroughly end after World War II. According to the agreement, it was only a temporary cessation. So Russia can always declare war against Japan, and that's why Japan is in a very dangerous situation. Of course, if war happened on the Korean Peninsula, especially in South Korea, China could take the opportunity to get Taiwan, even with support from the pro-CCP camp inside Taiwan.

That's why, from the arrest of South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol, we have been warning that this is a very significant signal of how China and the joint forces behind it, like Russia and North Korea, could work together to incite the pro-U.S. government in South Korea and try to escalate the situation. When President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law, our source told us it was because China had been working hard to fuel chaos and even the potential for war on the Korean Peninsula. We don't know whether Russia has put all its elite troops near the border with Europe, but we also always need to be aware that they have been preparing to expand their battlefield. One of their important tactics is to distract the attention of the U.S. and Europeans, to make them.

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I think, yeah, Americans' education, especially the, uh, extremist, uh, leftist, this kind of, uh, ideology, make it like very similar to communists. But I still think that if we call the market the communist country, then every country in the world should be the communism. Then there should be the branches inside communist fight against the different branches. That that would be another story. I mean, this is just about definition. Anyway, I think, yeah, it's very dangerous to push Europe to Russia.

And also, uh, I also believe that Europe is, uh, very, very important in geopolitical for America's national security and also, uh, all these kind of future, uh, program, uh, future, uh, long term strategy. If the United States want maintain the U.S. dollars dominance in the world and also the, uh, civilization as what we have now, but, uh, I also have some other idea. Uh, I just want to share something, uh, from my, uh.

Observation that uh we see yes NATO uh claims that uh if US uh left NATO and then Russia will win in Europe, but I also could understand that Trump threat to threaten to pull the United States out of NATO because uh NATO behaves.

Uh, weaker, much weaker than they talk about. Uh, during the Ukraine, uh, Russia war, and they didn't respond enough. Especially, it's very clear that communist China is behind that, and that that is a regime. Uh, give Russia all Russia need and help Russia to be. Uh, like I would say, Russia was like the frozen, uh, monster or frozen dragon, and China, communist China, basically defroze it and equipped it, it and gave it all the things they need to kill people to launch the invasion. But still, Europe tried to downplay all these kind of, in fact, uh.

Uh, influence from China, and even whenever the uh, no matter NATO or the European uh, especially European Union, when they have this kind of conflict between the U.S. uh, like for example Trump's tariff policies, they always claim that they should uh deepen their ties with communist China to seek for balance. So this is for me. I think this is uh very ridiculous. It's not the thinking to solve the problem or uh maintain the security or uh make themselves stronger. It is basically kind of uh okay. If U.S. can't help us, can't give us what we want, then we will turn to your enemy. This is the.

I think it's very stupid. It's a way for Swiss to commit suicide for these European countries, and like, um, Ukraine, ah, seek to join NATO. But it doesn't mean once Ukraine get join NATO, they will get all they want to defeat Russia. Still, like for example, inside NATO, Turkey always, ah, reject the, ah, Ukraine's, ah, this kind of, ah, proposal, and also, ah.

When we talk about helping Ukraine, we say it's not only help Ukraine. It's also help these European countries themselves. But like recently, Vonlan uh advocate for the rearm Europe that plans uh to uh found uh to to recruit like like eight hundred billion dollars to rearm Europe. However, France, uh, Italy, and Spain they reject this plan. They they said they claim they are going to uh file bankruptcy even the national bankruptcy, so they can't afford this kind of budget. So in this way, I would say that.

Maybe tariff will be an efficient or at least the possible solution for these countries to gain more funds for their rearm. Ah, this kind of plan because ah, China no China ah U.S. charge tariff from Europe and then this part of the tariff can be used by Europe ah U.S. government to develop the defense and also purchase equipment ah weapons to help their allies and also in ah.

At the same time, Europe will charge more tariffs from U.S. And then this kind of income, also revenue, also can be used by these European countries to increase their defense budget if they don't want to use their taxpayers' money at this moment. So, uh, because I mean this is not just simple things. We can stay here to think about. Okay, U.S. must be tough against both China and Russia and help Europe. That is the best optimal uh situation we want. But if we can't, then compared to Biden administration's uh.

Try to be a little bit more friendly to China and then defend Russia. Maybe a little bit change in Trump administration. Ah, at least now it's just two months since Trump's administration. We could see something different, and maybe during the future progress, there would be more alternative solution come out along with the situation, and there will be more possibility come out. At least we can.

Try at this moment. That that's my thinking. Yeah, babies is not freedom. It's violation of law unless it happened in a brutal regime like communist China. So, but the law can be changed. That's the whole point. So that's not the real freedom. I don't think that should be called as freedom. That is, uh, I mean, I I don't uh dis I don't disagree with you about Bible, but just for how to define the bad and good freedom because uh.

So you you said France is a most communist country, or even Jeff and Trevor South America is communist country. But, ah, for me, I was thinking when you are, ah, arguing that's very interesting because I come from the country with, ah, with. No freedom, no liberty compared to all of you, and when you try to define your country as communism, I I was thinking that maybe something wrong with this term of communism. Yeah, we we we're not defining it as communism. Yarvin in the Dark Enlightenment, people in MAGA are defining it as communism, right? We're not saying that.

Domestic violation, ah, violence because when husband beaten the wife and he doesn't get the same punishment as a woman did it to the man. So and also killing babies is, I mean, to be honest, that still happen in China because, ah, not only about abortion, ah, is even because in the remote, not very remote even. Ah, I can tell you the story. My my friend has a babysitter in in her home in Guangzhou and she told me the babysitter is a very nice lady because she, ah, fostered, ah.

Girl and she got that girl when she was a baby in the street. I said, How could she get a baby in the street randomly? And my friend said the babysitter lived in a town in Guangdong province. And in nineteen nineties to two thousand, when he when she adopted that ah baby, and at that time people usually ah abandoned the babies, the girl babies in the street.

When you are arguing about enlightenment, humanism, uh, liberty, freedom, this kind of terms, you can all explain like from the beginning of this term, how it come out and how it developed, how they combine the different maybe from Latin, uh, Latino to uh later become English or French, all this kind of history. But for me, as a Chinese native speaker, I can tell you, uh.

Liberty, freedom, right? In China, we only have one term, 自由, about this. It cover all the things, and because we never develop real liberty or freedom in our culture, uh, so we, our understanding of these terms, of all these concepts, is totally different from you. Especially when we lack, uh, knowledge of Western culture, Western history, and religions.

Get into Chinese into our understanding, that becomes certain Chinese terms, and why it causes terms, it may have nothing related to the origin of this uh term. It's just some somehow maybe sounds beautiful, or maybe because of the understanding of the initiate translator in initial translator, and then after that we start to accept this uh term, and it become our knowledge, and that's why when when the West.

Uh, try to understand China or communicate with China, especially when Chinese Communist Party becomes uh owner of China. It's easily for you to get cheated by Communist China, because first they deliberately to cheat you, and the second thing is when they use the same term as you use, they are expressing different meaning, but you even don't know. For example, now you can argue that French Enlightenment and U.S. Enlightenment, but when we use the same Chinese term啟蒙運動and then translate to Enlightenment.

How could you define the which term? Which background do we use in this term? When when in Chinese document or in the negotiation with Chinese government or whatever this kind of collaboration? How could you understand what does China mean? So that's why China could like package all different kind of unrestricted war tactics in the in this kind of language to.

Just, uh, how to say to play the tricks with you. So that's something I was thinking when you are talking. Yeah, it's very interesting. Now, why they need to build the firewall? Why they need to control AI? They need to use AI to change your thinking when you try to understand Chinese document. I play the ChatGPT, even not the Chinese that DeepSeek. I use ChatGPT to do a lot of tests. I realize when it touch to the Chinese English version, uh.

Uh, conversion. It has very clear difference that they said they could not translate certain English content. Uh, English uh content which criticizes China's policy, even just talk about Xinjiang or uh human right. No, they.

Uh, ChatGPT defines it. Defines it as once you try to convert into Chinese, then this is sensitive and violation there now. I asked ChatGPT why can't we criticize China's policy in Chinese? It says because China is dictator country, it doesn't proper it some political correctness. And I said, can we criticize Trump? He said, yeah, we can because this is a U uh U.S. uh domestic problem. I said, then can I criticize Italian government? He said, oh, you can because uh blah blah. So whatever, just China is sensitive. And then say from AI from China from all Chinese uh like they use Confucius school to uh Confucius school to teach you learn Chinese. So all this way.

You thought you are communicating with China in the way as you want, but actually you are already kind of pull into their whole games to manipulate your thinking and the terms to finally bring you into the traps. So, for what China's response and what China is working on, you can say that that's why I'm optimistic about.

The recent published, uh, national intelligence, the annual report, uh, from U.S. government has, uh, in using the like, uh, the same pages to same amount of pages to describe China's threat against the U.S. Uh, as the whole amount of pages talking about Russia, Iran, and North Korea. So that means China itself equal to all the other three, uh, nations, uh, in the national security level against the U.S. So, uh, that means China is already being put as a.

Top target, ah, enemy against the U.S. And this is this is also why the Communist China government is very nervous. And one of their response is to bring Russia and Iran to Beijing, hold a meet conference talking about nuclear security. But we all know that how Iran got this kind of nuclear capacity is definitely not for the peace. Is mainly China, ah.

Facilitate all these things, help them to build the underground great wall of nuclear uh facility, and also uh supply the materials uh to Iran. And even after the this conference in Beijing, uh, U.S. government announced that they detected and intercepted the uh the ships from China to Iran carrying the nuclear uh the materials related to nuclear uh reactions, nuclear weapons.

So it's like how China launched the so-called Palestine peace that kind of conference in Beijing in 2024, which they recruit the Hamas and all the other militant branches on behalf of this terrorist, and also the Palestine authority in Beijing to claim China will help to build a peaceful Middle East and also.

Try to play the important role in the Middle East crisis against the West by leveraging the terrorists. And then soon after, this terrorist, especially the Hamas leaders, appear in the photo with China's Ministry Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi, or get eliminated. So now we, I mean, if this is a, this could be a tradition. So we could see that in the foreseeable future, maybe we will see someone else appear in the in this Iran, China, Russia nuclear meetings would also get eliminated because clearly China is using these nuclear weapons or the nuclear capacities to.

Create this kind of ah, clear threat against the world, and I don't think the U.S. government should allow it happen. And that's why I also think the U.S. government's ah, plan against ah ah, so plan ah of attacking ah, hitting Iran, destroy Iran's this regime and destroy their nuclear weapon ah programs is not just ah some kind of talk talk blah blah that kind of ah content. It is it should be something ah already on their ah classified ah program.

In China, I mean, China among amongst the world, like declare. No, no, with with with. If Russia is attacking NATO in the U.S., Russia are China and North Korea ready to start the war in the Far East to join in with Russia? I what I can tell you, China always behind Russia because.

Actually, uh, Ukraine war didn't waste didn't uh waste Russia's elite uh troops. As you also mentioned that they mainly use some kind like prisons, machinery like Wagner, or the uh troops come from North Korea or try some even some people come from China to conduct that Ukraine war. But they still save and also secretly train their uh elite military uh for the future attacks uh against Europe. But also I would say they also prepare for the Far East battlefield because uh according to our sources that uh China uh.

And Russia, they they have their plans. They think they believe that, uh, Korean Peninsula is one of the optimal, uh, battlefield because at in that area these three countries, China, North Korea, and Russia could, uh, have no problem about the supplies, logistics. But for the United States, and it's not easy to defend, uh, in that area, uh, facing the joint troops. And also, Japan is in danger, and because the war between Japan and Russia didn't, uh.

Thoroughly ended. Uh, after World War Two, it just kind of according to the agreement is temporary. Uh, cessation. So Russia always can declare the war against Japan, and that's why Japan is in a very dangerous situation. And of course, if the war happened in uh Korea Peninsula, uh, especially the South Korea, then the China could.

Take the opportunity to, uh, get Taiwan even with the, uh, pro CCP campaign inside Taiwan's support. So that that's why, uh, like, uh, from the, uh, the South Korea president In Chee Yu's arrest, we have been warning that this is a very significant signal that how could, uh, China and also the the joint, uh, forces behind that, like Russia and North Korea, could work together to incite the, uh, North Korea pro U.S. government and they try to, uh, make the situation escalating. And at that time when the, uh.

The President Xi Yue declares the, uh, martial law. Uh, our source has told us it's because, uh, China is, uh, has been working a lot to fuel the, uh, chaos, the, even the potential war in peni, uh, Korean Peninsula. So, uh, we we don't know whether, uh, Russia put all of their elite troops to the, uh, border near the Europe. But we also always need to be aware of that they have been prepared to expand their battlefield because their tactics. One of the important tactic is to distract the U.S. and Europeans' attention to make them.

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