在芬兰街头问「台湾为什么重要？」年轻人的回答让我意外！

主播在芬兰赫尔辛基街头随机采访当地年轻人，探讨台湾在国际政治、半导体供应链以及作为独立国家的价值，并分享了芬兰与台湾在政经及应对中国宣传等方面的互动与观察。

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你觉得你觉得台湾重要吗？当然重要。你为什么这么觉得？它是一个国家，那里有人们。它是一个国家，那里有人们。Do you think do you think Taiwan is important? Of course it's important. Why do you think so? It's it's it's a country. There is people. It's it's it's a country. There is people.

所以我听到你说「台湾」。对。你对台湾还有其他了解吗？除了国旗以外？很快就讲完了。你怎么会知道那面国旗？那不是一面很有名的旗。我知道每个国家的每一面国旗。哇。他很小的时候就像这样研究它们。每个芬兰人都这么聪明吗？不，至少我不是。不，不是，不是那样。好。你还知道台湾的其他事情吗？你知道这些真的很厉害。嗯，我知道政治情势。还有，我我知道台湾的地理。政治情势，嗯，什么什么什么样的政治情势？关于联合国会籍的政治情势，以及关于中国。噢。诸如此类的一切。我我读过，军事以及像是亚洲的安全。所以那那那是很大的一部分，台海两岸关系是其中很大的一部分。

你觉得你觉得台湾重要吗？当然重要。你为什么这么觉得？它是一个国家，那里有人们。这就是它重要的原因。我知道，但你知道在美国，当我问同样的问题时，人们会说喔是供应链。对，当然。它也很重要，因为晶片。说得好，对。这是，这当然很重要，因为晶片。你对这些作为产品更了解，关于晶片，电脑晶片。但没错，因为它们是，我认为最大的电脑晶片制造商。这是有意义的，而且台积电，对。因为他们是西方的盟友。这当然有其意义，在像是国际政治方面。但，没错，它对西方是个重要的国家，在面对中国和与中国竞争方面。而且它是个重要的国家，因为它是一个国家，而且那里有人们。而且它的文化很有意思。我还没去过那里，但是喔，你应该去拜访。会、会的。你应该去。我们总有一天会去拜访。

而芬兰之间的关系，芬兰与台湾的关系非常好，而且它们正在发展，因为芬兰刚加入北约。而且有很多，台湾有很多东西正在向芬兰研究与学习。芬兰这边也是一样，芬兰正在向台湾学习如何针对，例如来自中国的宣传，像是AI辅助的宣传，这类的东西。我认识台湾驻芬兰大使林昶佐。对。而且他是个重金属明星。他是个非常非常好的人。而他就，有台湾的政治人物造访芬兰，而且有一个非常庞大的芬兰代表团前往台湾。所以我很高兴看到这些国家之间的关系。听到这真好。

你来自美国？呃不，我来自波兰。喔，你来自波兰？好的。波兰，对，但我很常去美国，我之后会在那里工作，今年下半年。好的，那很酷。我以前住在台湾，我太太是台湾人，所以。喔，有意思。你是记者吗？我是独立记者。我是人权研究者。我在英国取得博士学位，所以。你有在 YouTube 上做影片之类的吗？有，我有，我有，我有。我的频道已经有 30 万订阅者了。超过30万，对。对，但我都是用华语做的。中文，给台湾人看的。基本上是在讲欧洲政治，美国政治。对。然后一方面，我试著让更多欧洲人以及美国的人认识台湾。对。而另一方面，我试著让台湾人更了解世界的另一边正在发生什么事。这听起来非常有用又有趣。确实是，但很辛苦。那些演算法很残酷。而如果你批评中国，我的天啊。

对。什么样的回应，你在这里听过关于台湾的？啊，非常正面。对。我我甚至，所以我希望如此。而我那里，有一对，那男生来自乔治亚，那女生来自俄罗斯。他们都非常支持。所以不是，不是任何该死的帝国都应该，应该试图去入侵其他人。所以谈到人民和政府，人民要比，我并不怎么，比他们的政府好得多。是啊，那是真的。非常。很棒，很棒的一天。你是第十位，所以你是我的，我的最后一位嘉宾。对。我我礼物送完了，但我有个不错的。这没关系，这是这是个政治的东西，上面写著如果国民党不倒，台湾永远不会好。抱歉？如果国民党，中国国民党，如果他们不倒，台湾永远不会变好。这个，呃，他们，对，就像去年，那里有大规模抗议。对。所以你可以，你可以把它当作历史纪念品收藏，因为没有任何一件像那样的东西。呃，但这是政治性的。这非常。当然，但那非常酷。对，你就把它当头带戴著。你，你知道国民党，我想它会在我的合身，但它它会，它会在我家某处展示著，因为它非常酷。对。但你知道，国民党是从中国来的政党，而他们支持、他们支持统一。对，我我研究过，很多历史和政治，政治科学，所以。对对，所以那里，我该多研究一些。

你们是来芬兰这里的学生，还是已经在工作了？呃，我自己在工作。我现在是当保全。好喔好喔，不错。然后我还有在做摄影方面的事。索尼还是佳能？我自己是用 Fujifilm。好喔好喔，对啊对啊，那还真是小众。我一开始用 Canon，我妈的相机，Canon。然后，我退伍之后换成 Fujifilm。好喔，我是 Sony 派的。喔，是喔。我当兵时是用 Canon 的相机。我是媒体人员。我在那里用过相机，没错。所以说，你算是军事记者吗？呃，比较像是摄影师，对。好喔，哇。我们就只是负责拍照，然后把照片送出去，给记者，由他们完成后续的工作，像是把它继续做下去，没错。太好了，太好了，太好了，太好了。好的，谢谢你。谢谢你们。非常谢谢你。

而我，我爱芬兰。是的。我爱芬兰。它是个很棒的国家。你有来过这里吗？欢迎来到芬兰。谢谢，非常感谢。我希望有一天，你能够造访台湾。那是个美丽的国家，食物非常棒。但有一个建议，就在秋天或冬天去吧。因为夏天实在太折磨人了。会像摄氏40度，非常潮湿。你没办法好好观光，因为热到像火烤一样。对，我相信会这样。冬天、秋天，也许初夏，非常舒适。台湾在我的清单上排名很前面。我要去，呃，我的，我的梦想是走遍世界每个国家。所以台湾在我的清单上排名很前面，当我，你去日本时，其实可以顺道去，从日本去那里。对啊。机票还挺便宜的，在呃，在东京和台北之间。太好了，因为我，我，我想我正在规划，也许明年春天去一趟工作，去日本出差。好的。也许会有时间去，然后试著走出台北市。当然。台北市最不能代表台湾，还有它的文化。所以我已经理解了。而我其实我它，我没多久前才看过，一部在台台湾拍摄的电视剧。台湾的还是？不是台湾的。那是美国制作的。呃，它像是，嗯，它不是电视剧。它是在 YouTube 上。呃，但它像是个旅游节目。好。呃，他们在那里，呃，在不同的地方，呃，比赛，呃，环游全国。所以它是个，个好节目，一个好节目。我希望至少是如此。来介绍台湾的乡村与文化。对，还要上山，去看看原住民族群。因为那里的文化和各大城市完全不同。对。因为他们是呃他们是南岛语族，他们在血缘上更接近美洲原住民。对原住民，对因纽特人也一样。对。比起像中国人、日本人这样的东亚人。祝你有美好的一天。台湾人。对对。他们非常有趣。那当然是。谢谢。谢谢你们，谢谢各位。很高兴认识你。祝你有美好的一天，祝你有美好的一天。谢谢，谢谢。

So I've heard you say it's Taiwan. Yeah. Do you know anything about Taiwan anything else other than the flag? It's quick. How do you know the flag? It's not a well-known flag. I know every flag of every country. Wow. He studied them like when he was very young. Is every Finnish person that smart? No not me at least. Not not not that way. Okay. Do you know anything else about Taiwan? It's very impressive that you know. Well I know about political situation. And well I know about the geography of Taiwan. Political situation well what what kind of political situation? the political situation regarding UN membership and regarding China. Oh. Everything like that. I I studied. Military and like like safety of Asia. So that that's that's a big part. Taiwan-China relations are a big part of. Do you think do you think Taiwan is important? Of course it's important. Why do you think so? it's a country. There is people. That's that's why it's important. I know but you know in the United States when I'm asking the same question people are saying oh it's supply chain. Yeah of course. It's also important because of the chips. Beautifully said yeah. It's, it's of course important because of the chips. You know more about those as a product about chips computer chips. But yeah about because they are I think the biggest manufacturer of computer chips. That's a meaningful and. TSMC yeah. Because they are an ally of West. That's meaningful of course in in like International politics. but yeah, it's an important country for the West. Regarding China and competing with China. And it's an important country because it's a country and there is people. And it's an in- interesting culture. I haven't been there yet but. Oh you should visit. Will will be. You should. We'll visit someday. And the relationships between Finland and Taiwan are very good and they're developing because Finland just joined NATO. And there is a lot of, there are a lot of things that Taiwan is studying and learning from Finland. And same thing with Finland is learning from Taiwan how to target for example propaganda coming from China like AI facilitated propaganda this kind of stuff. I know the ambassador of Taiwan to Finland Freddy Lim. Yeah. And he is a heavy metal star. He is a great great guy. And he is just. There were Taiwanese politicians visiting Finland and there was a very big Finnish delegation to Taiwan. So it's I'm very happy to see the relationships between countries. That's nice to hear. You are from USA? Uh no I'm from Poland. Oh you're from Poland?

Okay. Poland yeah, but I go to the US pretty often and I will be working there later this year.

Okay yeah, that's cool.

And I used to live in Taiwan. My wife is Taiwanese so...

Oh interesting. Are you a journalist?

I'm an independent journalist. I'm a human rights researcher. I have PhD from England so...

Do you like do videos on YouTube or?

I do I do I do I do. My channel is 300,000 subscribers already. More than 300,000 yeah.

Yeah and, but I'm doing it in Mandarin Chinese for Taiwanese people. Basically talking about European politics, American politics.

Yeah.

And on the one hand, I'm trying to let more people in Europe and in the US know about Taiwan.

Yeah.

And on the other hand, I'm trying to make Taiwanese more acquainted to what's going on in the other side of the world.

That sounds like very useful and interesting.

It is, but it's tough. With those algorithms are brutal. And if you're critical of China, oh my god.

Yeah.

What kind of answers have you heard here about Taiwan?

Ah very positive.

Yeah, even... So I would hope so. And I have there, there was a couple. The guy was from Georgia and the girl was from Russia. And they were so supportive. So not, not any bloody empire should try to invade anyone else. So talking about peoples and the governments, people are much more... I don't much better than their governments are.

Yeah that's true. That's true.

Very. Great great day. You're tenth, so you're my, my final guest.

Yeah.

I've, I'm out of gifts, but I have a good... It's a, okay, it's, it's a political thing. It says, if KMT doesn't fall, Taiwan will never be good.

Sorry?

If KMT, the Kuomintang Party, if they don't fall, Taiwan will never become good.

This, uh, they, yes, like last year there were mass protests there.

Yeah.

So it's you can hold it as historical memorabilia because there is not a single thing like that.

Uh, but it's political. It's very...

Of course, but that's very cool. That's very cool.

Yeah, you, you just wear it as a headband.

You, you know KMT?

I think it is in my fit, but, it, it will be somewhere on display in my home because it's very cool.

Yeah.

But you know KMT, the party that came from China and they pro, they're pro-unification?

Yeah, I, I've studied a lot of history and political sciences so.

Yeah, yeah, so there. I should study more.

Are you guys students here in, in Finland or do, do you work already?

Uh, I'm working myself. I am as a security guard right now.

Okay, okay good.

And I do photography stuff.

Sony or Canon?

I use Fujifilm myself.

Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, that's, that's niche.

I started with Canon, uh, my mom's camera Canon and then I switched to Fujifilm after my military service.

Okay, I, I'm a Sony guy.

Oh yeah.

I was, I used Canon's cameras in military service. I was a media person. I used cameras there, yeah.

Okay, so you're like military journalist?

Uh photographer is more like, yeah.

Okay, wow.

We just like took the photos and sent them to the journalist who did the job like continued it, yeah.

Great great great great.

Alrighty, thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you so much.

And I, I love Finland. Yeah, I love Finland. It's a great country.

Have you here. Welcome to Finland.

Thank you, thank you so much. And I hope that one day you will be able to visit Taiwan. It's a beautiful country, very good food. But one suggestion, just go in, uh, in the fall or in the winter. Because summers are just brutal. It will be like 40 Celsius, very humid. You won't be able to do much sightseeing because it's scorchingly hot.

Yeah, I can believe so.

Winters, fall, maybe early summer, very comfortable. Taiwan is quite high on my list. I'm going to, uh, my, my dream is to visit every country in the world. So Taiwan is quite high on my list when I'm...

When you go to Japan, you can actually go, go there from Japan.

Yeah.

Plane tickets are pretty cheap between, uh, between Tokyo and Taipei.

Good to know, because I'm, I'm, I think I'm planning maybe next spring to go on a work trip to Japan.

Okay.

There might be, might be time for that.

And try going out of Taipei City.

Of course.

Taipei City is the least representative of Taiwan and its culture.

So I have understood.

And Iactually I, it, it wasn't a long time I watched TV series that was filmed in Tai-, Taiwanese, or?

Not Taiwanese. It's an American production. Uh it's like an um it's not a TV series, it's in YouTube. Uh but it's like a travel show. Okay. Uh where they uh in in different places uh compete uh traveling around the country. So it was a a good a good show. I hope so at least, to show Taiwanese countryside and culture. Yeah and also go to the mountains and see the indigenous tribes. Because the culture there is totally different from from the big cities. Yeah. Because they are uh they're Austro-Nesian. They're closer ethnically to to Native Americans. To to indigenous to to Inuit people even. Yeah. Than to East Asians like Chinese Japanese. Have a nice day. Taiwanese. Yeah yeah. They're very interesting. That is that is of course. Thank you, thank you guys. Very nice to meet you. Enjoy the day enjoy the day. Thank you thank you.

前阵子我到芬兰首都赫尔辛基参加欧台会，刚好在街头遇到两位芬兰年轻人。原本只是想随性的聊聊天，没有想到其中一位不但认识台湾的国旗，对台湾的政治处境、两岸关系，甚至亚洲的安全局势都有一定的了解。所以我就问他一个问题，你觉得台湾重要吗？为什么？我本来以为他可能跟很多美国人一样啊，从台积电呐、半导体或是台湾的战略位置来回答，没想到他的第一个反应却让我非常意外，也让我印象很深刻。到底这位芬兰年轻人怎么看台湾？而在距离台湾这么遥远的北欧，又有多少人真正了解我们所面对的处境？今天就带大家来看看这段有趣的街头对话。

看完这段访谈，我觉得最值得思考，就是这位芬兰年轻人对台湾重要性的回答。我们经常听到国际社会讨论台湾半导体、台湾的战略的地位啊，或是美中之间的竞争，这些当然都很重要，但台湾的价值，难道只是因为我们能够替世界提供什么吗？我很喜欢这位芬兰朋友的回答，因为台湾是一个国家，因为这里有人生活，所以台湾本来就很重要。有时候最简单的道理，反而最容易被国际政治那一些复杂的算计给忽略。不知道大家对他的回答有什么样的看法，欢迎在下面留言，也别忘了订阅我们新闻硬邦邦，我们不见不散。

A while ago I went to Finland to Helsinki, the capital, for the European Taiwan Association conference, and happened to run into two young Finns on the street. At first I just wanted to have a casual chat. I never expected that one of them not only knew Taiwan's national flag, but also had a certain understanding of Taiwan's political situation, cross-strait relations, and even the security situation in Asia. So I asked him one question. Do you think Taiwan is important? Why? I had assumed he might be like a lot of Americans, and answer in terms of TSMC, semiconductors, or Taiwan's strategic position. But his first reaction really caught me off guard and left a deep impression on me. How exactly does this young Finn see Taiwan? And in Northern Europe, so far away from Taiwan, how many people truly understand the situation we face? Today I'll take everyone to watch this interesting street conversation.

After watching this interview, I think what's most worth reflecting on is this Finnish the young man's answer about Taiwan's importance. We often hear the international community discuss Taiwan's semiconductors, Taiwan's strategic position, or the competition between the US and China. Of course, these are all very important, but Taiwan's value, does it only come from what we can provide to the world? I really like this Finnish friend's answer. Because Taiwan is a country. Because there are people living here. So Taiwan has always been important. Sometimes the simplest truth is instead the easiest for international politics to overlook with all those complicated calculations. I wonder what everyone thinks of his answer. Feel free to leave a comment below. And don't forget to subscribe to our News Hardcore. We'll see you there