VOA专访台湾驻美代表俞大㵢：“特习会”后美台关系不变 将一同赢得“超级智能”竞赛

美国之音专访台湾驻美代表俞大㵢，就特习会后美台关系、台积电在美投资、美对台军售、飞虎队历史叙事权及台湾民主自由等议题进行深入探讨。俞大㵢强调美台关系基于台湾关系法与六项保证保持不变，台湾在半导体与AI供应链中扮演关键角色，并驳斥了北京对历史叙事的篡改。

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Welcome to VOA Today. We're joined by Taiwan's representative to the United States, Ambassador Alexander Yu. Ambassador Yu, it's a pleasure to have you with us.

Well, thank you, Daphne. Thank you for having me at VOA, Voice of America.

Just one week after the U.S.-China summit, we are seeing several new developments in U.S.-Taiwan relationship, 包括F-16V，以及曾经在美国的新闻发展。您如何看待最新的发展在美台关系上的影响？

I mean, it's exactly what the U.S. administration has been saying all along, that the United States position on Taiwan remains unchanged, despite the, you know, several occasions where the leaders from the United States and people of the Republic of China have met, as one as recently as last week. But U.S.-Taiwan relations goes on as, you know, in a very productive way. 在台湾的第一个F-16V交付到台湾的设计与台湾人和台湾人的合作是一部分的合作，我们的合作。所以这就是我们的合作，我们的合作在台湾上。在同时的前面，蔡英文……

Of course, we know there has been continued interest for your president, President William Lai has a transit stop in the United States. But with G20 and APEC coming up, probably another chance for the two leaders to have another summit. Is that possible for President Lai Ching-te to visit the States by the end of this year?

My President Lai Ching-te, it's a normal function for President to visit. 是在美国的地区域，在南美国、西方，这可能会有一个停止在美国，这将会做到在前面的设计。这些会有关我们的美国的同事，如果有一个设计是有行程的，但这就是台北的选择。

你有任何谈及与美国官员、川普团队的会议吗？

President Lai, after the summit, did that call ever take place?

Well, again, the contacts between Taiwan and U.S. officials are closed, regular, and very open at different levels. I'll just leave it at that.

Okay. President Trump said that he and President Xi discussed Taiwan extensively in 11, 但在这一集的议会中，它看起来没有太多时间在台湾上。什么会告诉你如何在台湾和北京管理他们的双边关系，会令他们更加调整的选择？

Obviously the Chinese did mention Taiwan, but there was little or no reaction from the U.S. side, which I think this is very clear. The United States, they have been mentioning there's no change in U.S. position on Taiwan. So the Chinese may want to do this and that, or try to change or persuade or sway U.S. opinions or policy on Taiwan. But the fact is the U.S.-Taiwan relations still based on the Taiwan Relations Act and the six assurances, and the relations between Taiwan and the United States is thriving on multiple levels and that hasn't changed. So again, US contact with people in the Republic of China, it's ongoing, it's good for peace and stability, they call it constructive strategic stability, which is good to reduce the misunderstandings, frictions, conflicts. But Taiwan issue shouldn't be discussion because that actually doesn't pertain to the U.S.-PRC relations. The Taiwan issue with the United States should be separate.

So you think that the communication should be separate?

Well, the fact is, again, People of the Republic of China tries to impose the one China principle on everyone. And the one China principle, as you know, is there's only one China in the world. The Chinese Communist Party is the only authority that can rule on China, and Taiwan is part of that China. That's the one China principle. But most countries including the United States has a one-China policy, and that one-China policy doesn't really relate, that includes Taiwan Relations Act, I mean in relation to the six assurances, so that doesn't really exclude the United States having a very fruitful productive interaction with Taiwan, as the Minister of Defense from the Philippines recently mentioned Gilberto, he also mentioned that when he was challenged by the Chinese on certain happenings about Taiwan and the Philippines, he said, well, you know, in the Philippines we have a one China policy, but that doesn't exclude us from having a productive or thriving interaction with Taiwan. That's precisely the point. Many countries, including Europe and the United States and other countries, are more and more aware that their one China policy does not exclude them for having a very productive interaction with Taiwan.

the geopolitical you know a part of this uh issue that is important to the united states and to the world, you know, as you know, uh probably 50 plus of the world trade goes through Taiwan Strait. Taiwan is relevant in terms of technology, semiconductor production, etc. And also we are like-minded with the United States in terms of we all value democracy, we all value human rights, rule of law, etc. 所以我们也变成很重要的……

这些技能应该是建立的好事，它是要聘用人物的好方法，而不使用 technology 制定或控制 our lives。所以那是重要的地方。台湾不只会没有起……

the most advanced chips in Taiwan and obviously some are being made in United States eventually, but mostly are still made in Taiwan, especially the newest, most high end are still being made in Taiwan. We also make, I think, like 90 percent of the data servers and AI servers are made by Taiwanese companies, not necessarily physically in Taiwan, but by Taiwanese companies in the United States, Mexico, and other places. So we're very relevant to the AI development.

Like you said, Taiwan produces, like, more than 90% of the world's most advanced computer chips. So President Trump said that whoever wins, superintelligence, wins. Yes.

So Taiwan produces so many computer important chips. Will that make Taiwan a more critical player in this global AI race, especially between China and the US?

Of course we are. We want to win this race together. Again, we're like-minded in terms of values. We are trusted in terms of technology development. And the semiconductor production itself, it's a good symbiotic relationship between the United States, companies designed these very intricate chips, and using European and Japanese machines, lithograph machines, and manufactured by Taiwanese companies. This partnership is actually a partnership that is productive and beneficial to all three of us.

当然这会被台湾人的管理。有些争论是有些估计的，如果派遇台湾，他们会把台湾在台湾，他们会在台湾的汽车里，他们会把台湾的汽车里的汽车里。那不是真的因为，台湾在汽车里的汽车里，他们的汽车里，他们从南部、日本、其他地方、美国的东西，他们的汽车里面是有机会的。但是为什么是TSMC那么成功？为什么会继续购买TSMC？因为它们是最好的在做这些品牌。它们不是只有机器，它们是机器，而且在中国，它们在中国，它们在生产。They created the state-owned companies that replicate TSMC, they've hired TSMC managers, engineers, but they cannot and so far have not been able to replicate that there, so they're still far away from reaching the capacity and the technology that TSMC has.

We learned from the United States, you know, our engineers were trained in the United States, we licensed from the United States, we didn't steal the technology, but we got very good at it. And not only TSMC, the company, but also the entire supply chain that is in Taiwan, you know, maybe there's hundreds if not a thousand companies that work with TSMC, the supply chain in Taiwan that makes this such a successful component. And that is the key for why you can buy semiconductors from Japan or Korea or the United States, but why do people keep buying from TSMC? Because they're very good, and they can, you know, with the suggestions from the United States, the Americans can...

这就是台湾的value。如果我明白，如果是这样，是在台湾的情况下，他们控制了台湾的叶子，他们不能控制了台湾的情况下，他们不会只地购买了解释运赛。首先，我希望说，Anybody wants 台湾to be occupied by the PLA, so we will defend ourselves. That's what we're doing. Strengthen Taiwan so that they'll never dare 阻止台湾。But even if they get hold of the TSMC factories, they're just getting machines that they can buy from Netherlands and Japan, etc., against the human factor that they can't replicate, and that's what's valuable.

But again, people say, well, so why not就是把所有的美国都带来的东西和把金镇的系统把金镇的系统把所有的美国都带来到美国，然后就做得到台湾。我们不需要台湾，因为我们已经有所有的东西。在美国都不太容易，因为这些东西是非常好在台湾的效果。它们的结果是十分之处。这些人的关系和TSMC，而去做这些美国的美国，从一天到另一天，那会有些时间。

但是我们在做的，TSMC是在美国的，在Phoenix，目前的投入是650亿美元。就是新的新发布的新发布，对吗？有些传闻，不，不，未曾有的估计和他们在提前提到TSMC不太提升了，但是有估计或疑估对TSMC移动的。但那就是贵书。你必须要问是TSMC卖下的投入，TSMC达到内衷是650亿美元的投入。排行...

And we're also helping TSMC or we're trying to also bring the supply chain from Taiwan into the United States, maybe Arizona, maybe other places, Texas, others, and bring that successful formula into United States. But again, the brunt of the production for Taiwanese technology, you know, semiconductors, they will still be in Taiwan. But what we will do, definitely, our financial investments, we will move some production lines to the United States. And then we will bring back to Taiwan, because we will not forget... This is what we will use from Taiwan. But our main focus, these things we will see more, more, more.

但是其实没有，其实没有它们的 demand，这超级的，超级的，超级的。我没有觉得Nvidia可以买它全都在台湾，因为它们想更多，Nvidia、AMD要更多。TSMC可以做不全都在台湾，因为它们的 demand是很大，他们需要继续延长的产品。台湾是一个大陆，大陆的大陆，我们是很小的，所以我们不可以全部都在台湾。虽然TSMC itself是增加更多在台湾，但是在台湾的股份在美国，是只是增加了其他股份，而不是增加的，但其实是增加的。同样的一样，例如在食品的食品，例如McDonald's或鼎泰丰，他们的股份是..., 他们的股份是增加更多的市场，他们的股份是不只是... 他们的股份是他们的股份是...

Why should the fund and change their footprint? And actually that's good for our business and good for United States, because you're bringing in also technology, you're bringing job opportunities, but also our clients are United States. The one thing that I do appeal to United States is the passage of the avoidance of double taxation that is still pending to be approved by the US Senate. And the approval of ADTA, Double Taxation Bill, is important because we're the only major trading partner with the United States不享受这种优惠。这意味着台湾人在美国都会在美国大量的利益对美国的售价有收入，而台湾国政府的收入稳定，这些愿者在一个失禁的比较和其他国家，比照日本和韩国。而对大多数的国家，他们会执行这种差处，但在小和大的大多数的国家，当然那是大部分的分别。所以我推荐到美国的美国，会让美国的美国的美国，而且会提供更多台湾的发展在美国的美国。

说到台湾的安全，二十六个月的F-16V终于非常期待。我们很期待在台湾好。但是问题是，那么香港的大幌，140亿美元市场的套餐仍然存在能源，什么时候来自然呢？发生什么时候会有什么动作呢？

首先，我们将会鼓励，第一次他们发送的军事F-16的7项目的VIPER终于出现了新一项座的第一次。你将会见到发送的，所以知道新一项公司的F-16的还会安装，所以那是很感激和很感激的动作。而是有所努力的努力，去延估的制造的衣服，我们买到美国之前，而有所努力的努力，也有所努力的努力，所以我们有所努力的努力。

而我也想要感受到，我们要感受到特朗普总统的，因为特朗普总统第1章以印尼、中文台课唯一，也访诺不得很少的上海哦。在年底下，他之前的法资奖几十多亿奖戴相当的本次的用户。但同时，与巨人的宣导到地方，它是有三层的层层层。

The third level that Taiwan is receiving from the People's Republic of China's army is actually pretty high. You know, if you look at Taiwan on a daily basis, there are always ships, Chinese ships and planes, and naval assets, coastal assets, even this purported steel-hull fishing boats, you know, that they actually act on orders of the Chinese government that are actually operating around Taiwan. So that's a constant threat that we received.

我们需要更加强烈的手机器，尽量，尤其是在乌兵，是一个小国的国家，对比较大型的攻击。我们也要更加强烈的方式，在一个产生的方式的方式，我们需要更加强烈的方式，更加强烈的方式，更加密切的方式，那是需要的。我们希望的继续收侵航空IP，到台湾选择和最快，eta争辉着最早。

You你出现11-14 billion要放这是一个描述,其实在相比,VUA has prepared a graphic comparing arms sales on the different U.S. administrations according to data from the DSCA. As of December 17, 2025, the amounts notified to Congress during each administration were Clinton is around 8.7 billion, George W. Bush 15.6 billion, and Obama administration is 13.9 billion. Trump's first turn like you know what the messenger said 18.2 billion and Biden was 8.3 billion so if we combine Trump's second turn 11 billion and another additional 14 billion in planned arms sale to Taiwan Trump's second turn actually total approximately 25.4 billion so what does that tell you about in general the US commitment to Taiwan under this administration? I mean not only this administration but the the the all the administration the u.s. administrations that uh u.s different presidents have been committed to the defense of taiwan you know providing enough sufficient uh arms equipments to taiwan selling we're not getting it for free we're buying uh and and and that has been the the the position of subsequent u.s administrations no 不 matter which party they're from so that commitment is strong not only from the federal government but also from Congress Congress be it Republican, Democrats, Senate House or Senators there's always been a strong support for Taiwan increasing Taiwan's improving Taiwan's defense capabilities.

and beyond the dollar amount what does Taiwan most urgently urgently need from the United States to you know for the deterrent And to achieve the peace through strength Well I mean I think United States is well aware of the uh uh challenges and the, uh adversarial relationship that PRC is uh bringing on the region PRC's trying to accuse for example Japan of this new militarism you know they they remind us that japan invaded china in the late thirty's World War two that there's a resurgence of japanese militarism and at that we should 他指会说我们该对日本的军事充满 他还在台湾和菲律中 一直进入军工具 令其农业更危险 这其实也正在是另一方 是国独立兵士兵士在一直进入军事充满 他们目前最大的名字在世界上 they have very large assets you know continuously improve adding and they're creating uh uh uh threats and instability in the region and that's why so many countries around the world including the united states you know i can just state uh during the last last week's united nations general assembly on the sidelines secretary rubio met with the four ministers of japan and Korea during their joint statements they mentioned you know the need for peace stability in taiwan straits no unilateral coercion no unilateral change of status quo even supporting taiwan's meaningful participation international organizations which we're very grateful but also from other countries there was also another meeting between the four ministers of eight countries which i'll be very fast was australia new zealand japan korea germany france Poland and UK they also in their joint statement also mentioned exactly the same thing peace stability Taiwan Straits no coercion no you'll know your lateral change your status quo and that is the prevalent feeling that you know most countries have like-minded countries democratic countries and China should not be the one creating all this trouble we're not creating we want peace and stability it is the people republic of China who is doing the creating all.

你提到那些事情的日本 其实在24月的日子, 在美国-China的台南, 习近平和习近平 他们在历史上的历史 和船长的《轮胎虎》 然后习近平也在影响 《轮胎虎》是一个象征 和中国的关系 and you know, forging blood and fire, you know, fighting together against Japan, but we know that Taiwan government the next day on September 25th issued a statement challenging Beijing's historical narrative saying hey, I'm gonna quote here because he said the people's Republic of China established only in 1949, did not exist during the war. It was the Republic of China that fought with the United States side by side and the Communist Party's narrative cannot erase the Republic of China'shistorical contribution during World Two. What's your reaction to that?

It says exactly you know I also went on another TV interview and I also made very clear I brought out the figure of the bloodshed 川普派援军营派军 这些不袁装在身边还有男骑士带战的带战 说明军长在背景时 在朝着中 alla中文字 这个艺人是 Vijayan 让它们与达方向 其实PRC fought with the United States in the Korean War, the newly established PRC. So those narratives become like a diplomatic competition right now. Well,I mean, that's what PRC is good at. They're good at changing many million semantics.President Trump mentioned the Flying Tigers as a way of saying the United States was there to help the Chinese people during when they had a crisis, a problem. Again there was a Japanese invasion which started in 1937 and then you had the American Volunteer Group who flew the Flying Tigers prior to the United States involvement in World War II prior to Pearl Harbor so there was a group of very valiant heroics young men under Claire Chenault who were directing the AVG and the Flying Tigers and they were flying the planes with这个派了有与的韩方式。这是一个派了中国的派对?日本朝礼文王的日本朝礼文王的国家。在中国中国ольше国导致的共产大战works until then they were a band of guerrillas, they were barely if any fighting the Japanese, if they did they were sort of small skirmishes in the fringes of the battle theater, the brunt of the war was fought by the government of the republic of China troops. And a journalist friend reminded me that what the Chinese, the PRC is doing is basically called stolen valor in the wholesale scale because how can you rob the efforts and the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of people who fought against the Japanese during the war and rob them and say, no, we did it instead of them. That is just not right. That's why it was important for me to set the facts straight during the interview.

所以是重要的，中共的故事是很重要的，所以，很容易解释，你所提及的，中国的共产党被建立了1912，中国的民主的共产党被建立了1949，所以，当时，中国的共产党被建立了1945年，所以，很明确，而且，正如同时，中国的共产党被建立了，中国的共产党被建立了not long after they were fighting and killing american soldiers in korea so they're the ones who've been on an adverse celebration with the united states constantly in my country the republic of china now we're situated in taiwan which means this is a different story and now we are you know obviously very very proud to be taiwanese after 77 years being in taiwan we're the ones who's constantly being your friends and allies and up to this day we're still your friends and allies.

所以，Ambassador Yu, why this piece of history still, not only the shared memory in the past, but also like, you know, has a real meaning and why it still matters to the current U.S.-Taiwan relation? How can Taiwan preserve this history and turn this shared history into a strategic asset for U.S.-Taiwan relations? It is. I mean, it does symbolize and does mean that the relationship between my people my country republic of china that's now situated in taiwan and the relationship that we have with the united states goes back not just after 49 it goes way beyond during during the the flying tigers were back in the 30s and also we have scores i've met scores of people in the united states whose father or you know grandfather were missionaries in china they were doctors inalgumas人在英国 early in China and some were born in China and they told me that they had to leave because of the Chinese Communist Revolution and then some of them came to Taiwan, so this bond between us goes way beyond since when the government was in China. So, but again, I want to stress, the government replied with China then was relocated to Taiwan in 1949. And since then for 77 years, we've been at odds with the Chinese Communist regime by live on mainland China for 77 years we have developed a very strong Taiwanese identity on the island and now we are very proud to call ourselves Taiwanese, but the official name of my country is still Republic of China, so I want to stress the Chinese PRC keeps saying the United States should oppose Taiwan independence you know that's what they're trying to do. United States they said no we have no change in policy, this is not what we're what we're saying.

而且这就是一个个人的陷害，现在没有人在这一点，这点是历史非党叛利。我们想为国家的坏，也想为习惯，舍立。我们想我们予生的生活，美国才富有钱，享受这种食物。我们不想任何问题。所以中国民主党的共产党应该认为 оно，最近为什么要讲到特朗普何一个声许的声诊，或是政府的政府和政府的政府，以为您的想法和政府的提供，在这时刻的提供。

首先，我再次想表达了，我们的中国人，政府和政府，为他们的支持，为他们的支持自在台湾的自由，我要表达了，我们要保护不利，我们要保护不利，保护不利and also it's important that the United States continue to provide us with the adequate equipment to be able to defend ourselves you know we we will never appease to to the bullies and I also want to borrow a phrase that was mentioned by your United States first diplomat called Benjamin Franklin and and he said back then 250 years ago that those who want to give up essential liberty to purchase a little piece of temporary safety deserves neither freedom nor safety you know and that's exactly our our our mentality we will fight to preserve our democracy and we're great we're. We are very appreciative and grateful that we have American friends who share the same values.

You are celebrating the 1950s of a Democratic Republic, We are celebrating 30 years of direct presidential elections in Taiwan. So that we are free and democratic and we supers inclusion our way of life. And we are very appreciative that the United States is on our side. Thank you so very much, astronauta Yu..Thank you very much for joining us and sharing your insights thank you. Thank you Daphne for you these Nou for your interview. Thank you very much. 谢谢大家