30年前就看穿中共！美国资深国安记者警告：习近平的目标不只是台湾

美国资深国安记者比尔·格茨在节目中深入探讨了中共的意识形态威胁、全球扩张野心以及对美国的渗透。他指出，中美竞争的核心是意识形态而非单纯的贸易或军事竞争，中共的目标是通过世界统治最终消灭美国。格茨还分析了美中关系的转变、中国近期通过的促进民族团结和进步法案背后的法律战策略，以及台湾面临的严峻安全挑战与2027年时间节点，呼吁民主国家必须采取实力求和平的策略应对。

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Basically, he needs to understand that Xi Jinping is not his friend. That the Chinese communist leader has a goal in mind that is world domination, and that the main impediment to achieving that goal is the destruction, the elimination of the United States. Every communist leader since Mao through Xi Jinping has understood that they view the United States as the leader of world capitalism to be vanquished. This is an ideological outlook. This is not a mere geopolitical outlook.

Hi everyone, and welcome to the Freedom is Now Today 新闻 in Pang Pang English on Zoom channels. Today we're joined by Bill Gertz, one of America's leading national security journalists and long-time correspondent for the Washington Times. For decades, he has covered China, the Pentagon, intelligence, and the strategic challenges facing the United States and its allies. He is also the author of Deceiving the Sky: Inside Communist China's Drive for Global Supremacy. Bill, thank you so much for joining us.

Glad to be on the program today. I would like to talk to you about the rise of communism and of Chinese infiltration, and also a little bit about Taiwan. Many policymakers still frame the challenge from Beijing primarily in terms of trade, technology, or maybe military competition. To what extent should Americans understand the CCP as an ideological communist threat rather than simply a rival great power?

I think that communist ideology is the core issue in the strategic competition with the U.S. China is not just a normal nation like France or Germany or Japan. Even it's a nuclear-armed communist dictatorship.

And it's on the march globally. It's this is a problem that I've been reporting on for over two decades now, and I think it is the most significant strategic issue facing the free world that is the non-communist world that we have today. President Trump has recently talked about the rise of communism and that America will never become a communist country. Do you think he was addressing most of the domestic audience, or he was also talking about the rise of the international communism?

That's a good question. Yeah, President Trump has a very good understanding of the resurgence of socialism slash communism in the United States, which we're witnessing here with the rise of socialists. Who, again, you know, socialism is not just a political party; it's an ideology, it's a worldview. And he really, I don't think he has a full grasp. Based on his recent summit in Beijing, I don't think President Trump has a full grasp.

Of the ideological nature of communist China. Basically, he needs to understand that Xi Jinping is not his friend. That the Chinese communist leader has a goal in mind that is world domination, and that the main impediment to achieving that goal is the destruction, the elimination of the United States. Every communist leader since Mao.

Through Xi Jinping, has understood that they view the United States as the leader of world capitalism to be vanquished. This is an ideological outlook. This is not a mere geopolitical outlook. Do you think that this CCP strategy toward the United States evolved or changed during recent years, especially regarding espionage, influence operations, maybe technology theft, and efforts to shape American political and academic discourse? Well, Stan, you know, in 2000, I wrote a book called The China Threat, and it was one of the first examinations of.

What I call the comprehensive threat posed by China, and at the time, the United States was still in what I call the hangover of the Henry Kissinger years, where he played the strategic gambit of the so-called China card during the Cold War, where the U.S. sought China's help and they had great exchanges with the sole purpose of recognizing that the Soviet Union at the time was a greater threat.

That never changed after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. There was never reevaluation of that. So, the U.S. and went on kind of an autopilot with favorable relations with China. And for several times, U.S. governments, both Democratic and Republican, have bailed out this.

Failed a mafia state ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, and it's really it's been a failure to understand the the ideological nature of communism, which is at its root. Well, I wrote this book in 2000. It didn't get a lot of attention at the time, but basically all of the things that I had in there have come to pass, and they really focused on the threat from the Chinese military, the Chinese intelligence services, which are running a massive espionage and intelligence gathering, the cyber threat, which was just emerging at the time.

Also, the financial and informational attacks. Ah, they've you know the Chinese power is not limited to its military and intelligence service. It's really a informational power. The United Front Work Department is a major threat, and congressional investigators estimate that it's spending upwards of 11 billion dollars a year to promote Chinese communism and to basically defeat all opposition to the Chinese Communist Party. You have just mentioned that President Trump should understand that Xi Jinping is not his friend. Ah, what do you think the United States?

I would phrase it like that. In your assessment, what is the most serious?

Possible mistake Washington could make in responding to the CCP's growing military pressure against the United States, or, for example, against Taiwan. As I mentioned, this conciliatory policy, U.S. policy towards China, was rolling along to the point where we bailed out the Chinese and we gave them favorable trade status, even though they're not a capitalist system. That changed significantly during the first Trump administration. So around 2016 on, there was a clear recognition of the threat from China, and they did something back then that was one of the most significant policy shifts. Where in the past we had heard again both Democrat and Republican administrations say China is not a threat; we just want to do business with them. The Trump administration made a very specific policy shift, and they recognized that the 1.4 billion people of China are not the same as the now 100 million members of the Chinese Communist Party, and this created tremendous angst and opposition within the Communist Party in China. Again, they're not a legitimate government there. They seized power as all communists have, and this is again something that was clear during the first administration. Now, the second administration, we're seeing a number of very troubling signs of a kind of shift back to the what I call the China is not a threat theory, which was so prevalent for so many years.

Based on the President Trump's visit and meeting with Xi Jinping, things began to change last fall when the Chinese began imposing export restrictions on rare earth minerals. This proved to be a very effective policy ploy in retaliation for U.S. tariffs because it highlighted how vulnerable the U.S. supply chain is to these rare earth minerals, which are needed for everything from automobiles to jet aircraft, warplanes. Now they've kind of retrenched. We're in kind of a truce over the trade war, and I've noticed a marked shift in rhetoric. They basically toned down the rhetoric, and that's across the board. Whether it's from the U.S. Pacific Command, more measuring statements about communist China to the Pentagon not really commenting on recent Chinese submarine-launched ballistic missile tests, which was a very provocative threat to the entire Asia-Pacific region. And of course, the review they call it a review, but it's basically a delay in sending 14 billion dollars in arms to Taiwan, defensive arms, which are urgently needed by Taipei in order to maintain this deterrent strategy against a future Chinese military assault or other coercive action.

Recently, China has passed its law on promoting ethnic unity and progress, and it took effect on July 1st. Beijing presents it as a measure to strengthen national cohesion, but you can also find criticism saying that it codifies forced assimilation of Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongolians, and other non-Han peoples, and may even be used against people and organizations outside of China. How should Americans understand this law? And do you think it's mainly a domestic tool for cultural? It's a very troubling event, and it fits into what as communist expansionism. For decades, communist China really focused internally on its modernization. That changed under Xi Jinping, and now there's a much greater emphasis on spreading communism, and we see it through a number of initiatives, the Belt and Road Initiative, which again is kind of a Trojan horse for expanding communist influence and power, and it's very clear to me how they're operating with that. They're going to the developing world in countries in Africa and in South America, literally buying up countries using bribes and other infrastructure projects through with high interest rates on loans, and then when they can't pay it, they take over the railroads or the ports. This latest law, I think, is kind of expanding that, it basically is saying it's part of what I call Chinese legal warfare. That is part of their strategy for world domination. We've seen it regionally regarding Taiwan recently. For example, the so-called law enforcement patrols. The Chinese are trying to create a new narrative that the waters, Taiwan Strait, South China Sea, East China Sea are China's territorial waters, and that they're really trying to change the narrative from international waters to their territorial waters. This latest law is very troubling in that it could give the Chinese power to arrest people overseas that are opponents of the communist regime, and that's a very troubling event. In researching one of my books in the past, during one court case, I came across a large number of FBI documents, and one of the documents outlined a team of Chinese covert agents that can be sent abroad to conduct assassinations or kidnappings of communist regime opponents. So I see this law as again part of their lawfare strategy to try to basically they want world domination and they want to if they achieve it they will eliminate millions of people who are opposed to the Chinese communist regime. Recently they have assaulted a Taiwanese journalist of Japanese descent in Taiwan and the person who assaulted him tried to escape and to fly to Korea. Also I have heard that many of the Taiwanese Americans death threats and people following them. I have received many death threats recently. Do you think the increase of that?

Harassment coming from the CCP and the CCP supporters can be related to this law. Yeah, I think so. I think they're going to get. It's a kind of a gradual process that they're going to gradually increase these operations. We saw similar activities with the establishment of Chinese overseas police stations, which were ostensibly set up to assist Chinese in renewing passports or driver's licenses or things, but they were actually part of the repressive regime and its extension. I would remind your listeners that the People's Armed Police in China is a massive. Military force. It's part of the People's Liberation Army, and this and it has tanks and heavy weapons and military forces, all for keeping control of the Chinese Communist Party. It's not to uncover criminal activities. It's a political police service, which is the sole mission of keeping the Chinese Communist Party in power. And the final question: What should the United States, Taiwan, and other democratic allies prioritize now to deter a conflict in the Taiwan Strait and prevent the CCP from reshaping the legal order by force?

It's very difficult. The I've interviewed a number of military leaders and commanders, including Admiral Sam Paparo, of the commander of the Pacific Command, and they're all very worried about the deadline which Xi Jinping has set for the People's Liberation Army to be ready to use military force against Taiwan. That's 2027. Others say the date is further out, maybe ten years beyond that, but. It's clear that China is marked Taiwan for annexation and takeover, and I think that the the peace through strength approach is what's needed. I don't think the Trump administration is completely united on this. The loss of Taiwan to communist China would be a unmitigated disaster for freedom and democracy in Asia.

Taiwan is a democratic model. It proves that the communist system is not the the system for all of China's people. That Chinese democracy can take hold and can produce tremendous prosperity, as we've seen the capitalist system in the United States, which has created the greatest advancement of humanity in all of human history. It's unquestioned, and yet we see so much opposition to this system. I think that needed it needs both hard power and soft power. I think that the greater. Need is to build up American soft power to one expose the fallacies of Chinese Marxism Leninism. It's a false ideology. It's totally based on beliefs, not facts. And then second, we need to promote an alternative. And I would mention to your listeners that I do a podcast which is called Victory Over Communism with Bill Gertz, and it it looks at the threats of Chinese communism and domestic neo Marxism in the United States. And I offer what I call the VOC worldview is a critique of communism and also a counter proposal, which is. Based on a faith-based view of what the solutions to the problems are, that communism will never solve. Thank you so much, Bill. And I encourage everyone to follow Bill with his "Victory Over Communism" podcast, and also to subscribe to the Washington Times, where Bill's work is being published very often. Thank you, everyone, for watching, and thank you, Bill. Thank you.